Overall Juggling Skills and Versatility Test (Updated June 2013)

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Overall Juggling Skills and Versatility Test (Updated June 2013)
Created by David Cain

1. How many balls can you qualify?
2. How many balls can you flash?
3. How many rings can you qualify?
4. How many rings can you flash?
5. How many clubs can you qualify?
6. How many clubs can you flash?
7. How many balls can you pass and qualify?
8. How many rings can you pass and qualify?
9. How many clubs can you pass and qualify?
10. How many balls can you bounce and qualify?
11. How many diabolos can you do?
12. How many ping pong balls can you mouth juggle with no hands?
13. How many objects can you qualify while doing a face (chin,
nose, or forehead) balance?
14. How many balls can you spin on one finger (stack)?
15. How many devil /flowersticks can you propeller at the same
time?
16. How many of the following can you do at least three tricks
with?
a. Cigar boxes
b. Plate spinning
c. Lasso
d. Yo-yo
e. Astrojax
f. Poi
g. Club swinging
h. Hoop rolling
i. Ball and two sticks
j. Hoola hoop
k. Plate manipulation
l. Meteors
m. Paddleball
n. Kendama
o. Top spinning
p. Parasol and Ball
q. Tennis balls and can
r. Shaker cups
s. Contact juggling
t. Ball Spinning
u. Hat manipulation / juggling
v. Ball and mouthstick
w. Pen spinning
x. Flare
y. Baton twirling
z. Frisbee
aa. Hackysack
bb. Antipodism
cc. Devilstick / flowerstick
dd. Staff Manipulation
ee. Whip Cracking
17. For any of the previous entries under question 16, if you are "world class" at any of them, give your self an extra point for each category for which that applies.
18. How many objects can you qualify while bouncing a ball on your
head?
19. Can you toss and catch a boomerang? Yes is one point.
20. How many objects can you pirouette under and keep going
afterward?
21. Can you balance a club or stick on your face or foot for 15
seconds? Yes is one point.
22. Give yourself one point for each object manipulation skill
you can demonstrate that is not mentioned in this test. Don't include
other circus or variety skills such as unicycle, magic, acrobatics,
rola bola, ventriloquism, etc..It must be you manipulating an object
in a skilled manner that doesn't fall under the topics of magic or
equilibristics (unicycle, free standing ladder, rolling globe, rolo
bola, slack wire, tight wire, etc.). Possibilities include cube
spinning, knife throwing, and odd vaudeville skills.

Add everything up and you have your score. Feel free to post your
score here.

This is a competition thread which ran from 30th Jun 2013 to 7th Jul 2013. View results.

Norbi - - Parent

Maybe this is the way to determine a "good" juggler ;-)

My score: 118

Nicholas - - Parent

45 :)

Rob van Heijst - - Parent

96. I'm quite pleased about my score :)

The Void - - Parent

104

Monte - - Parent

...61 ... more than I was expecting

Tom W - - Parent

72

Orinoco - - Parent

Edited into a competition!

93

Also please list your object manipulation skills for question 22. I couldn't really think of anything that qualified. Unless you count ribbon twirling.

Mike Moore - - Parent

I included dice and cup stacking for those. Funny, because those two were the difference between our scores (I got 95)

Mats1 - - Parent

103

Time to acquire some of those props in the '3 tricks with these' section...

What void? 104? Just you wait 'til next year!

The Void - - Parent

I've got the feeling that there are probably a few "other" skills that are escaping my memory, and I can't really remember exactly what numbers passing I got up to 20 years ago. So I could probably "finesse" my score up a few notches or so, but ... Meh. You're welcome to overtake me. :-)

Little Paul - - Parent

83 I think, although I mostly answered "have you ever" rather than "can you" - if forced to take this as a real life test today, I'd score much lower.

christhejuggler - - Parent

91 and i think that this is a nice Way to compare

Orinoco - - Parent

Welcome to the Edge Chris!

christhejuggler - - Parent

thank u :)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Nice start,but it might need to be rewritten. I guessed all the passing records except for the club passing, and I am disappointed I get only 2 points for diabolo playing while I believe that I am half a good diabolo player as a toss juggler (juggling is worth about 60 points I guess..) Also, why is devilstick used twice (how many & can do 3 tricks)?

Either way, I score 94

jamesfrancis - - Parent

98. So close to triple figures...

oxford - - Parent

Just learn some poi and staff James. . .

jamesfrancis - - Parent

I think I may have embarassingly actually included Poi within my count. 3 beat, butterfly and overhead twirly things count as tricks right?

Mïark - - Parent

I think waving poi round really fast without hitting anything counts as a trick (so I just need to learn two more tricks).

Chris - - Parent

I've seen you do a 3-beat weave. Once.

It might have been an accident though.

pompboy - - Parent

60

Thought I would have a higher score...guess I have some work to do!

You guys in the 100s are beasts!!

peterbone - - Parent

122

Woett - - Parent

86.

Aidan - - Parent

66 I guess I've spent too much time passing clubs. That or drinking beer!

It's Him - - Parent

108 but there might be more as I couldn't at this time think of other manipulation tricks other than those listed. Card throwing? Beer Mat stacking? table tennis 2 bats one ball? there are probably quite a few more weird and wonderful things I've tried and can do at least 3 tricks.

This test is still way too biaised towards normal juggling. Why flash and qualify? With the exception of rings which I never practice I've qualified everything I've flashed and it feels like I'm getting double scoring because of it. Also if you can juggle n balls it isn't hard to pass 2n balls, similarly with clubs and rings. I've passed 8 rings and qualified it on the only occasion I tried it which shouldn't give me 8 points when I am probably the worst ring juggler on the Edge.

Adding to this skew is the weakness of the points awarded to other skills. There are way more people can juggle 5 balls than propellor 2 devil sticks and yet one of these skills is worth 2.5x the other skill.

 

Nigel

The Void - - Parent

I agree that the weighting seems off.

Mats1 - - Parent

If you actually want to qualify 2n objects, it's actually really hard. For example, the highest number of balls successfully passed is 16 (2 * 8) whereas the world record for solo is 11.

"There are way more people can juggle 5 balls than propellor 2 devil sticks and yet one of these skills is worth 2.5x the other skill."

This is a logical fallacy. There are less people who can do it, but that does not make it more difficult. Less people learn to propeller two devilsticks than pass a maths degree, so is a maths degree easier?

These things aside, the test is very biased towards toss juggling. Toss juggling ability is quite well measured through maximum numbers though. I'm not sure what fair points system you could use for (to carry on the example) devilstick? This test really needs input from people who do multiple to compare skills fairly too. 2 diabolos is worth less points than a 3 ball cascade, which seems to very much underrate diabolo, however, exactly how much should 2 diabolos be worth? 3 points? 4 points? And what of 3 diabolos? And 4?

Little Paul - - Parent

*cough* fewer *cough*

Mïark - - Parent

that sounds a nasty cough, Paul, do you need to smoke less cigarettes?

Colin E. - - Parent

105

Although I don't think I am particularly versatile, my juggling skills are reasonably broad but involve reasonably high numbers. There are a still a great many skills on that list that are a 'NO' for me.

Colin E. - - Parent

Also, the 'other manipulation skills' is a really hard one to quantify. I can't for the life of me think of anything to list there. But with all the conventions I used to go to there must be a decent number of obscure manipulation skills I toyed with and managed a few tricks with at some point in time.

Little Paul - - Parent

Also, I'm pretty sure that given 10 minutes I could come up with 3 tricks with any object I was given (Must weigh more than an ounce, less than 10 pounds and be no bigger than a breadbox - obviously)

Colin E. - - Parent

Now that sounds like an interesting challenge, I am assuming you are not allowed to use this object for a manipulation that is typically associated with a different, yet similar, object? e.g. contact juggling an orange doesn't count.

I'll have to hunt around for the most featureless and un-inspiring object I can find!

Hmmm... the first object that I cast my eyes upon that fulfills your weight / size requirements, that you are also sure to have, is a computer keyboard.

I await a video, by 16:11 BST - sharp.

Little Paul - - Parent

Only just seen your post, but yeah! Ok! Game on... I'll go dig out the camera and see what happens

Colin E. - - Parent

... in which case your lateness is totally forgiven!

Little Paul - - Parent

5 minutes to raid my junk box and find a keyboard (didn't want to injure myself with my IBM Model M keyboard :)

10 minutes of filming, about half an hour of faffing about with my computer installing video editing software, codecs etc, cutting out the three "best" tricks from the footage I had, 10 minutes to edit/upload it and here we are:

https://youtu.be/YPCi8pN6TkY

I forgot to turn off the autofocus (which is a bit mad on this camera) and I wouldn't have said the tricks were anything special, but there they are. 3 tricks with a computer keyboard, found in 10 minutes.

They're actually out of order, the last trick was the one I filmed first, and in the middle trick you can hear the 10 minute alarm going off

Orinoco - - Parent

Nicely done!

I was surprised that throwing the keyboard up in the air then typing out a quick post before catching it again wasn't one of them. :)

Little Paul - - Parent

not on that keyboard... eeew...

I 8> my Model M too much

Rob van Heijst - - Parent

Freaking hilarious :')

Colin E. - - Parent

Well played sir, very impressive :-)

Colin E. - - Parent

Time to increment your score by one. Keep going like this and you will have a massive versatilely score!

thegoheads - - Parent

108 is my score.


For the last question I counted fingerboard, skateboard, remote/cell phone flipping, and gyro ring.

-Steve

It's Him - - Parent

Damn forgot about gyro ring. Add 1 to my score.

Roflcopter - - Parent

46 is mine.

Roflcopter - - Parent

now it's 49

Brook Roberts - - Parent

92

So some people mentioned including scores for things they might no longer being able to do, but I wanted to do the opposite - for some of the things I reckon I could do them but haven't e.g. I haven't qualified 10 ring passing, but reckon I could!

I didn't score that though ;)

Jemnezmy - - Parent

Considering I don't know what half those things are/mean, I don't think I need to need to take this test to know that I know nuuuuuuthing.

mtb - - Parent

  1. Largely because I can not do any balancey stuff, I think.


Also I have never tried rings at all, and my passing and club juggling is... poor.

Marvin - - Parent

This competition has now ended. Here are the results:

  1. peterbone (122)
  2. Norbi (118)
  3. It's Him (108)
  4. thegoheads (108)
  5. Colin E. (105)
  6. The Void (104)
  7. Mats1 (103)
  8. jamesfrancis (98)
  9. Rob van Heijst (96)
  10. Mike Moore (95)
  11. Hapiel (94)
  12. Orinoco (93)
  13. Brook Roberts (92)
  14. christhejuggler (91)
  15. Woett (86)
  16. Little Paul (83)
  17. Tom W (72)
  18. Aidan (66)
  19. Monte (61)
  20. pompboy (60)
  21. Roflcopter (46)
  22. Nicholas (45)

 

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