Cascade. One pattern instead of two independent patterns. Less collision prone and less scoop required. The parabolic shape is more aesthetically pleasing to me. Much easier to do certain tricks such as body throws or backcrosses. Shoulder throws seem much less natural.
Little Paul - - Parent #
I'm leaning towards oranges
Mike Moore - - Parent #
Cascade, I dislike how fountains feel (so much scoop!). There's a reason I've flashed 8b in 999999990 (preparing for 9b cascade) than in 8.
IsaacDraper - - Parent #
It has to be cascade. I'm just not that excited about fountains.
Sjors Stuurman - - Parent #
Cascade for sure, fountain colides so much :(
1) Everyone prefers Cascade.
2) Seriously, they do. There are loads of reasons why some people might say otherwise but
3) They prefer the cascade.
4) It is better, nicer, more real, less “cheating”, easier.
5) Hang on, aren’t the cascade and the fountain the same pattern?
6) Just let go a bit later for the fountain throw?
7) Then either catch it later (& lower {which is scary}) or
8) Have the ball in your hand for longer and therefore
9) Less time with an empty hand to be able to think about catching the next one (also scary)
10) Fountain is scary.
11) I prefer Cascade.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Fountain vs. Half shower, which do you enjoy more?
Mike Moore - - Parent #
I think that's a better (more controversial) question. I like fountain, because I'm not interested in learning the same trick twice (and learning a trick on only one side is out of the question!).
I'm not sure (because sync halfshower is awesome), but the halfshower with 4 is one of the worst things ever.
Seems like cascade is winning, but i vote for fountain. I think its aesthetics are superior. I love the two connected components, it has a much more pure feeling for me. peterbone says it's just two independent patterns, but that's not true, the dependencies are only more subtle.
I also don't like the fact that many people skip the even numbers, as you learn many valuable juggling skills when practicing these. One is that your weak hand has to catch its own throws and gets no help by the strong hand - you strengthen your weak side and therefore your symmetry by practicing the fountain. Also you learn much about moving your hands to the right positions, as it is harder to avoid collisions.
Also, disagreeing with peterbone again, i'm a fan of shoulder throws - they're way easier than backcrosses.
Is it a fountain if it's done by two one armed jugglers standing next to each other?
What if they are not standing next to each other? What if they don't know of one another's existence?
Philosophy is difficult, where's my beer.
Sjors Stuurman - - Parent #
If we're gonna talk about astethics, fountain is a beauty! :P
See, I can't decide. Until recently I would have said the cascade, but I'm beginning to appreciate even numbers more lately.
I think a lot of the tricks with the cascade are unparalleled and speak for the base pattern itself, but when I look back I see all the trouble the pattern has caused me. Learning the 5 ball cascade nearly made me quit juggling (not the case with 4 or 6!), and lately I'm beginning to feel like my 8 balls is progressing faster than my 7. It's strange. I've even been considering doing a 10-ball pattern for my first 9 flash.
And for me I've never viewed the fountain as two separate patterns. While I can and do practice it by doing each hand individually, when I'm fountain-ing I feel like I'm holding up one single entity, and my brain isn't separating the hands any more than the cascade.
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