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Selling two EJC ticket and Gala show
Hi,
I'm selling two EJC ticket and two Gala show ticket.
Prices are : 193€ per EJC ticket, 15€ per Gala ticket (03.08. 21:30). Admin fees for reattribution are on me.
Contact me at julien.halet(at)gmail.com
For my part, I think, it's normal ..
with some work / time put into it, I would get to about ten rounds of a trick - I like towers - which is then already 50 throws of it, being a respectable fraction of even hundreds of catches of the cascade endured.
Siteswapping truly IS genuinely different from doing a same kind of throw on and on, I say; there's more vivid 'music' in them, melody, rhythm, beat, funk, anything, and the chance to miss a certain throw is unlikely greater, and also you have to get .. no, wait, I'll start this sentence anew .. also heights, spacing, thrust thrown, impact of landing props, and surely more aspects and properties of a pattern, are all slightly or notably different, thus all in all more difficult to master.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Definitely normal.
I can run 5 balls for 10 minutes, but the only siteswaps I have ever managed to run for 30+ rounds are 744 and some synch patterns I think.
James Hennigan - - Parent #
What siteswaps are you working on? Also, have you learned any with 4 balls?
No, I think it's just that a lot of siteswap patterns are intrinsically bloody hard to do, and the slightest variation in trajectory can blow things up a way down the line. Juggling 5 in a standard cascade, if you get one throw a bit "off", maybe throw a 5-and-a-half or off to one side, you can mostly recover. Throw a seven-and-a-half in 753, the problem shows up further down the line and in a place where it's difficult to recover.
Doing several siteswaps in one session worked for me, "grinding" patterns isn't my thing. Maybe that's why I'm rubbish.
James Hennigan - - Parent #
Different jugglers practice in different ways, but I can tell you what worked for me.
I think the some of the most important 4 ball siteswaps for 5 ball juggling are 534, 633, 7333, 7441, 7531, (6x,4)(2,4x) and (6x,4)(2,4x)*. I think it would be a good idea for you to work on these if you haven't already.
In your original post, you said that you struggle to do 4 rounds of any of the 5 ball siteswaps. You might be wasting your time working on 97531 if you struggle with 4 rounds of 744. 744 is easier than 753, which is easier than 97531. Therefore, it makes sense to work on them (or at least, prioritise them) in that order. (Some jugglers may disagree with this, saying that working on things way outside your current skill level is a good idea. I don't think spending loads of time on these things is productive.)
In my opinion, 744 and (6x,4)* are the easiest 5 ball siteswaps for beginners. When I was at your level, I spent most of my time working on them. You will probably make faster progress if you focus on a smaller number of tricks. Your progress with 744 and (6x,4)* will, in turn, benefit your other siteswaps.
Maybe you think they're trivial, but I think (6x,4x) and 73 are easier than those. One sided, admittedly, so learn them both ways, like I didn't. (Hmmm, wonder if that has anything to do with why I'm rubbish at... nah, nothing, nevermind...)
It seems pretty normal to me, running a 5 balls and running 5 balls siteswaps is pretty different. When you do a 5 balls cascade, you always throw at the same height, same movement etc ... So you can just "lock" your arms into doing the same thing. It does not need to be "perfect". So when the dreaded time to throw a 7 or else comes, you need to relearn a brand new way of juggling 5 balls.
There's really a gap between juggling 5 balls and doing 5 balls siteswaps. Some are harder than the others.
What really helped me was to learn more complicated and advanced 4 balls siteswaps. It's easier compared to the 5 balls ones, and it can train you to do some high and funky throw combinations! It's also good for the mind because you can learn those patterns in a few days / weeks compared to weeks / months for the 5 balls one.
Jay Gilligan is proposing creating a new on-line centralised juggling focussed hub, he posted his ideas on facebook and agreed they could be shared here (he also compliments the Juggling Edge events listings):due to some different chattering on various parts of the internet, i’ve finally been inspired enough to write this all down for public consumption. erik aberg has been my partner in crime on this, helping in all the ways possible (even though he warned me against writing this here). we also need to thank emil dahl and cal courtney for helping with some first steps towards making any of this happen!
ever since erik started his work surrounding the definition of juggling, that got me started on some thoughts surrounding the culture of juggling. even as i write this, i already know i have no place to share these ideas. and as such this stops me from writing and sharing many many things that i would like to. i could post this as a facebook status… but then only my friends on facebook (who the algorithm chooses) will see it. i can also cross post it to jugglingrock, juggling home, etc. etc. but as well anything posted there will be buried by tomorrow and if not then, it will certainly be long gone in a few weeks. facebook is also unsearchable in any practical sense of the term. so putting this up on facebook (which i already know i will do, and it feels slightly hopeless) is almost the same as throwing all these thoughts away in the long run. i might do better to have a few personal phone calls with friends. but the juggling community is larger than that!
from looking around i see all these great new things happening in juggling. the juggling world is growing in scope and spreading out into many new locations. lots of new things are happening- new ideas, new structures, new groups. instagram is a good platform to witness some of this growth. i wish to have a central place to discuss juggling with everyone from around the world. i want to have a place where i can share my ideas and hear the ideas of other. i’d like this place to be accessible to as many jugglers as possible, and i’d also like this place to be around for a long, long time. this place should be a resource for juggling information and knowledge for us interested in juggling now, and for future generations who would like to continue that journey. that place does not exist right now and i hope it could be possible to make it.
i thought back to the last time there was a “central hub” for the discussion of juggling in the world. i know it was not perfect for any number of reasons, but for me i think that was rec.juggling as accessed through the internet juggling database (IJDb). rec.juggling still exists, but since the IJDb closed in 2012, rec.juggling stopped having any sort of relevance to the juggling scene at large. there have been several attempts since 2012 to fill in that gap, but there is nothing that even comes close to what we need today. and like i said, rec.juggling as accessed through the portal on IJDb wasn’t all that great, or even close to being ubiquitous so there’s not much of a point in mentioning it anymore, except as a historical foot note in this story.
facebook has a couple of really strong things going for it. in fact, one of those things is the most important factor in any of this: it has the most people there right now! it is without a doubt a community. in fact in regards to juggling it is many hundreds of communities with various degrees of localization and agendas. another nice feature facebook currently provides is the ability to have built in language translation services. i have had several valuable discussions with jugglers from all around the world in japanese, russian, spanish, french, and english… all at the same time! that is pretty incredible to me. after those two points though, facebook is a terrible terrible place to try and archive knowledge. most of the conversations we have on facebook (good or bad) are lost all too quickly, only to surface again in a few months and be repeated all over again. there’s no real continuity, nothing is being built other than a growth in numbers and perhaps enthusiasm? those are not trivial nor bad things, but maybe its time to do something with a vision for all those jugglers who love juggling?
i keep coming back to this in my personal life but i feel like there’s all these people all over the world who are working on lots of the same things with juggling. but everyone is alone with their struggles. or that its very cyclical- one conversation may be sparked which leads somewhere but that conversation never gets shared or saved so that it can be referred to and so the next juggler who comes along has to start from zero. i know there has been some work to counteract this- for example some great guides on reddit by Mike Moore which can be pointed to whenever those topics surface from a new arrival. and for sure there has been other great work by many people here and there. but that’s just the point… its still piecemeal. you can pick apart any of these thoughts here and give counterexamples to the problems or issues. but that’s not the goal. it doesn’t work if all the solutions are just working fragments of other, larger systems which are not ideal. mike is making reddit a better place for juggling. but reddit (as it is now) is not the solution we are looking for. i don’t generally participate on reddit because i don’t feel the payback in the long term is enough in relation to the investment of my time. that goes the same for any of the other number of alternatives, including facebook.
i realized one of the things i want most is a sustainable online place to discuss juggling with other jugglers. there are several other features that an online juggling hub could provide, which i’ll get to later. but having a healthy discussion forum is #1 on my list. that’s why i did a small test with the object episodes forum a couple of years ago. i’m part of an online music community called lines (llllllll.co) which is built on a really nice forum software called discourse. discourse has lots of great features which make it instantly more useful to have a conversation there rather than facebook. of course the problem is that we are all digitally destroyed for time- no one wants more screen time in their lives. so we all go to facebook and no one really wants to have yet another place to visit, yet another place to have to go spend more time online.
my thought with the object episodes forum was that it would be one small part of a larger picture. obviously i put it out without the rest of the picture and while there were definitely some worthwhile discussions there, i realized pretty quickly that its days were numbered in the grand scheme of things. i don’t think the success of a discussion forum relies upon sheer numbers. i think it can sustain on a small but passionate amount of people who regularly contribute. i stopped participating because i knew that investing more time, money, and energy into that forum was a dead end since it was not the complete plan i wished it to eventually be. that’s why i took it offline and chose to try and focus the resources i have for things like this on the real idea. object episodes was a good test, but it was not going to spur the growth of the rest of the infrastructure needed to keep it going.
my idea with erik is to have an online centralized location for juggling which provides enough value that its worth people’s time to visit it outside of facebook (and whatever other online necessities people have). one small example of this could be daily content which isn’t found anywhere else- a picture of the day (culled from erik’s exhaustive historical juggling picture archive), and/or a historical juggling fact of the day. would a bunch of these things be compelling enough to make you think a couple of times a week “huh, i wonder what cool juggling photo is up on the site today, i think i’ll go check it out”? then the front page of the website could have the top 3 most recent subject lines posted on the forum, and maybe the top 3 most discussed subject lines from the forum. if you check out the photo of the day, or check the upcoming festival calendar, maybe one of those subjects from the forum catches your eye. maybe you go to the forum and start to participate in the discussion. does this sound like it might be realistic?
obviously everyone will have different ideas about the details of such a website. i’ll write down the ones we thought of here. to be clear, i’m not proposing that we have a discussion which turns into a contest about what features such a website could have. this is our carefully curated list of ideas which we refined over many too many hours of conversation about what we think might be the most useful to both us and the community at large:
- working title: Juggling Portal (or “the” Juggling Portal), could be JP for short
- the main page easily features all main activities without the need to click through links to reach the start of any of the main areas. i know if i go to a website and sometimes even have to click more than once to find the start of something i’m done and just leave. again, i’m online too much, i have too many other distractions online. i don’t have time to menu dive.
- the front page has: a photo of the day. this photo is sourced from a folder which erik fills once a year with enough photos to last the entire year. this is a sustainable practice. he’s not going online every day to post a photo. i mean he has terabytes of photos. he could fill the folder with 10 years worth of photos tonight. the folder should be accessible to the admin with a simple online interface to drag and drop photos after a login and with some simple dialogue boxes to enter in a caption or other meta information about the photos.
- the front page has: an event calendar link, but it also displays on the front page the title link to next upcoming event (or multiple events if they are on the same nearest day) and a countdown clock to that event. right now juggling edge has the most useful event calendar i know of, is this just a link to them?
- the front page has: a historical juggling fact of the day, again pulled from a database of facts that erik has entered previously. and to sustain that, the juggling portal should also have a publicly searchable database of juggling information. i believe Olivier Caignart mentioned he is working on something like this? as well the interface for making this happen could be an admin login page with a dialogue box which connects to the database both for the fact of the day feed but also for the larger searchable database
- the front page has: a link to the forum with the top 3 most recent subject lines, and the top 3 most discussed posts
- the front page has: a link to the records part of the website. but not just the link, also some curation for the top numbers records. like maybe solo balls, rings, and clubs records for example are listed right there. i mean even a silly thing like this i could use monthly!!! i’m at a show and someone afterwards comes up to me and asks if i can juggle chainsaws and then asks how many balls i can juggle. i could just point them to the JP right away and see that someone from the UK just flashed 17 balls. i’m not personally so into the records thing in terms of posting or logging personal records but 99% of the people i have talked to so far are into it, including erik, so it seems to be something that people are really passionate about and is important to them. then it might be really beneficial to the community if that was a feature of this website.
- the front page has: juggling vendors list link. does it also have a small advertisement there that could rotate through participating sponsoring vendors? maybe. i mean i don’t mind seeing advertisements from juggling manufacturers because i want to know what’s the new stuff i can buy!! and maybe the money helps with the site. i have no idea. how will the website be paid for, i don’t know. so far i was able to pay for all my random projects out of my pocket. probably not the most sustainable if we’re talking about longevity as a goal here.
- the front page has: an online juggling resource list link. this could click through to show juggling club listings (i loved the style of this from the IJDb where juggling clubs were listed with red, yellow, or green traffic lights. a red light meant something like no one from the club had logged in and updated the information in 5 years, a yellow light meant 2 years, and a green light meant that entry was updated that year. or something like that. but i have to tell you, i have many times used “red light” juggling club listings to eventually track down certain jugglers to lots of benefits in the past!), a collection of links to juggling blogs (and here, like everything else on the site- juggling clubs, juggling vendors, etc. this can all be user generated. you get a login when you register for JP. then you can make an entry on this if you have a juggling blog. we have to deal with how to monitor spam and all of that. but its 2020, that’s a thing website people know how to do?), a list of jugglers’ websites both personal and professional (again i used this all the time on IJDb), a list of juggling related resources (for example could have links to external lists like circus schools with FEDEC or whatever, unicycling hub, kendama party, i don’t know what’s out there but we could have a resource of links with descriptions so again its both a place of discovery and a place for reference. and its all searchable. so if i type in “yo-yo” to the JP, then one of the things which pops up is the yo-yo group party link under the online juggling resource link section)
- the front page has: yearly community reading list. i need to explain this- look, here’s the thing. one of the biggest things in the juggling community these days is luke burrage’s top 40 jugglers of the year. its practically an institution at this point. he has been so generous to run it for all these years and it seems to be something that lots of people in the community find to be both valuable and inspiring. though also the criteria of the top 40 voting is generally very open ended, and i can totally respect luke for that. as far as i understand his whole point is that you should just vote for whoever you think is most deserving for whatever reason in that year. but in reality lots of times it turns into a contest of who posted the best youtube video that year. or maybe even from the year before? so maybe it could be fun and drive traffic to the JP to just have a yearly top 3 video contest. that could be part of the community reading list. so on the JP you have the top 3 juggling videos of 2020, and you also have the top 3 juggling videos of all time. each year the top 3 juggling videos of all time is up for grabs, and same for juggling videos made in the current year. as with all of the community reading list content, perhaps the selection is done by nomination along with a jury of peers, and maybe partial popular voting or something. but in addition to the top videos of the year and of all time, there could be a selection of links, books, forum posts, other online content, podcasts, or just anything that would give some valuable content and insight into what juggling is right now. almost like a statement that represents the current state of juggling in the world if at all possible. basically i want something i can refer back to in my own work and also direct others to all the time, be it producers, normal people, or students when i’m teaching. i mean i always thought a great idea would be that in circus school, the graduating jugglers would get to refresh or add to a public website. because back when i used to work at DOCH, the administration did ask me to provide a reading list for every year. as far as i could tell that impetus came from administrative technicalities rather than an actual functioning need for such a list (since it was never put into actual real world use on a day to day level). but having a reading list for juggling resources is a very real and possible thing. so every year that the jugglers would graduate, they could choose which videos they thought were most important to them in their lives, and they could share the links to content which helped them the most. then this website could be a living and breathing documentation of what is happening in the DOCH circus school each year with the jugglers. everyone would ask me what’s going on over at DOCH these days… well, check out this website! you can totally see what the jugglers were thinking about from last year at least. i think that would have been a really cool and useful idea to do. so let’s have it here on the JP. it could be useful to so many jugglers around the world who are trying to interact with other genres in various capacities. i know the IJA sometimes tries to get funding for various things or invites certain celebrities to participate in events. and if they don’t know what juggling is, or what juggling is about today… well, easy- send them a link to the community reading list over on the JP, they can immediately see 6 completely insane juggling videos and there is the surrounding context should that be useful.
- the front page has: the trick database link. the trick database allows users to upload video with hashtags. each user would be linked to this by their own JP account like on instagram for example. you make a new trick, you upload the video and then can categorize it, hashtag it, and it becomes a searchable resource. this part of the portal would be especially important on mobile devices. in fact the trick database part of JP should probably just have its own app. the interface could be very much like instagram but with a bit more editing features in terms of collections of videos. i get it that i’m here writing about making instagram with different features. i know its not very realistic. but maybe some of these ideas would spark something in somebody, and since i’m getting all the ideas out here, i’m not going to stop now while talking about the trick database. on the TDb app from JP, you can shoot video straight on your phone, do basic trimming like on instagram, and upload it straight to the app. it would change the way i juggle in both my personal and professional life. for example, if i make a new 3 ball box trick, i could go to the TDb and search “3 balls, box” and instantly get all the 3 ball box videos (and perhaps with even more search criteria for a narrower selection, like maybe also add “cross-arm” and “box with lid”). i could see that the variation i just made up was actually done in 2019 by ameron. and i could also see 30 other variations from everyone all over the world. and that could inspire me to make a variation from one of the ones i saw and upload it to the TDb. which starts the whole process over again. if someone didn’t want their tricks public, i guess you could also have a private TDb account. like for example let’s say you’re making a new show with 2 friends and you want to have a database of video content which you can organize and search during the creation process. you could share that private content with your 2 friends only if you like. personally, if this existed, i’d keep all my content public all the time. having this resource of technique to search and reference would literally change my entire life. so i’d also want to contribute to the process as much as i personally can.
- eventually daily content could be generated by corespondents from around the world. photo of the day takeovers could be from different countries each week or month. there just needs to be the interface to upload the content in a reliable and manageable way.
- throughout the JP site there could be some “talking heads.” erik had this idea as a fun feature, again as a way to drive traffic to the site. the talking heads could be the picture of a juggler’s head with a dialogue box. that juggler could have an exclusive login to that box to write whatever they want which would then be seen publicly until they changed it. would you go to JP if emil dahl had a talking head there? or lewis kennedy? what if you knew that over on the JP anthony gatto actually had a talking head that he was actively updating… wouldn’t you visit the website then?
- the JP would also have other forms of social media to promote its content. but it would not share that exact content on other platforms! what i mean is, JP should have a twitter, facebook, and instagram account. but the instagram account isn’t going to just show the photo of the day from JP every day! then you have no reason to go to JP. but maybe its 1 post a week on the JP instagram account which sums up an interesting forum post from that week. or gives a shout out to an upcoming festival. or shares a link that was uploaded that week. just as a taste of what is offered over on the site. but again, not as just another copy of the same information. hopefully as a way to drive traffic to the site and keep it alive among all the other digital platforms begging for your attention.
- the website should be in english, spanish, french, german, italian, and japanese at least. sounds like crazy work. but worth mentioning that one of the reasons forums or other websites fail today is because not everyone uses the same language.
- a dream feature of the forum would be to have embedded translation service options like from facebook. i don’t know of any forum software which offers this as an option. but for sure it would really unite all the jugglers of the world if they could all talk to each other in some way without language being a barrier!
- another nice feature for the forum would be to have a siteswap highlighter and embedded animator.
- another nice feature for the forum would be to have a scheduling option for when to post a discussion comment. that way i if i find myself having 5 hours in one day, i can write a bunch of forum posts, and set them to be released at intervals over the next weeks. this can help rhythm of keeping discussion going over on the forum. first of all i won’t flood the forum all at once and overwhelm with too many posts, and make people skip content. obviously this feature isn’t just for my account but everyone’s as well. if i know of something coming up i can prepare content ahead of time and release it when its most relevant. this was actually erik’s #1 request.
the whole point of the juggling portal would be to unite everyone together, not fragment them more. for sure the portal would not need everything i listed above to work or survive. and as i have been talking about this privately for a few years now, i know there are people around the world doing parts of these things as i speak. still, the point is that i think the strength of these things is that they would be integrated all together. a central place where we can all meet, discuss, learn, share, archive, and discover juggling.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Why authenticating from google or facebook? I find that it hardly makes access easier to sites (maybe this changed, I haven't signed up on a website through fb or google in the last 2 years), and I am worried that I give them unnecessary power to track behaviour of users and sites, when a new platform could be contributing to a more diverse, less centralised web!
Mike Moore - - Parent #
Especially for services I don't care about with lots of alternatives, I much prefer options that can connect to my existing accounts (I have a garbage Google account I use for exactly this).
While I /do/ care about talking about juggling, I can imagine that others would be on the edge (no pun intended) of interest for this kind of thing.
Little Paul - - Parent #
My main reason would be that handing off authentication to a 3rd party nearly avoids you having to do all the terribly boring stuff of making sure you're storing passwords securely.
But sure, I can see how people would prefer have it self contained.
Storing passwords is nowhere near as difficult as it used to be, with the 'new' password functions introduced in PHP7 it's just a case of keeping PHP up to date (which Dreamhost & most hosts will do for you automatically) & changing the hashing algorithm as they come available. For the Edge I just need to change one line of code.
I don't like using 3rd party authentication because using the same account to log in everywhere is effectively the same as using the same password everywhere.
Cedric Lackpot - - Parent #
Relevant xkcd - this being the Edge half of you will know which one without even opening it ;-)
Jay, I wish you well and I hope you smash it. I too sorely miss the glory days of recdot via IJDb, but that's very much in the realm of history now.
Richard Loxley - - Parent #
Yup. Communication happens naturally where the people are.
rec.juggling succeeded because it was on Usenet, which was where the people were.
Then everyone moved onto the web when that was invented. The IJDb portal succeeded because it was a transition between Usenet and the web, and linked those two communities as they gradually transitioned.
Now the majority of people are on Facebook, so that's where the communication happens. You can't really fight it, although you can still have communication in smaller groups outside if you try hard enough.
What's next? Instagram? Discord? WhatsApp? I dunno, I'm not a teenager, so I don't have visibility of the upcoming communication trends.
But to try to get everyone to move back onto the web is pissing into the wind. "Build it and they will come" doesn't work. "Build it where they already are" is much more likely to succeed.
(Incidentally, I did an internet marketing course years ago, the output of which developed into a successful business. This was the surprising basis of the course: don't build something and then try to attract people to it - instead find the people, ask them what they want but don't have, and then build that product where they already are. It works.)
I wonder if part of the problem is our perverse relation to a forums popularity, sometimes we post on facebook because we want the maximum audience, then we hate the fact our post gets lost in all the other people's postings. We want to see all the posts that we want to see, but it is unlikely any algorithm will be able to 100% second-guess which posts we might have wanted to see today and which not. Facebook is rubbish in many ways, but perhaps also our expectations are unreasonable.
An analogy might be a juggling convention with 1000s of attendees, loads of shows and many many workshops sounds amazing. Then you realise you have to queue hours for shows, everything is so scheduled you are chasing the clock and workshops are full up and opportunities to rendezvous with friends are fewer.
You beat me to it! That comic was my first choice, so I'll settle for my second.
I'd love to see this idea come to fruition!
Even though i only witnessed the last few years of rec.juggling, i found it the best ressource for relevant content. There are many conversations that happened there that were really thourough, and well written, and still to this day, those conversation are relevant and need to be accessible in some way!
Every medium right now has some good and bad stuff, but overall, nearly everyone of them gives me a lukewarm feeling. Facebook and instagram are great to quickly share something, but if you're not logged at the right moment, it gets buried and you'll never know it existed.
Anyway, i'd love to see such website, mainly for discussions and archives, and also for events listing and club listings. Usually, if an event is not listed on the juggling edge, i don't even know it exists because it's lost in somewhere i don't even know of..
Good luck with the project!
To address a few quick points:
The irony that Jay & most of the world probably won't see this because it is not on Facebook is not lost on me.the main page easily features all main activities without the need to click through links to reach the start of any of the main areas
a link to the forum with the top 3 most recent subject lines
an event calendar link, but it also displays on the front page the title link to next upcoming event
Edit settings > Change home page layout
More sections can be made available on request.
In case anyone doesn't already know you can add events listings using Edge data extremely easily or not quite so easily (give me a shout if you need help).
a photo of the day
a historical juggling fact of the day
Post to the forum use #PhotoOfTheDay, #HistoricalJugglingFactOfTheDay, creating the ability to display the latest post with a hash tag on the front page wouldn't be too difficult.a link to the records part of the website
juggling club listings (i loved the style of this from the IJDb where juggling clubs were listed with red, yellow, or green traffic lights
the website should be in english, spanish, french, german, italian, and japanese at least
a siteswap highlighter and embedded animator
All already in place except Japanese but I can add that very easily if anyone is interested in translating. Dutch & Russian are also available.another nice feature for the forum would be to have a scheduling option
If you come back here tomorrow at sometime after 08:00 UTC you will see either:
a dream feature of the forum would be to have embedded translation service options like from facebook
To get this embedded in forum software would breach free usage limits of existing online translation services pretty quickly & get too expensive for the juggling community to afford very quickly. There are many browser extensions available that can do this if the user wants this feature. As for creating my own translation service I am both not smart enough to build it & not stupid enough to try.
It's disheartening just how much functionality of Jay's ideal portal is already available at the Edge.
If you believe that Facebook is a poor platform for discussion, don't use it for discussion.
Everyone believes that rec.juggling was the greatest thing in existence. Everything since has been rubbish.
I question whether anyone really remembers what rec.juggling was. No one is missing rec.juggling. What everyone is missing is the community that used rec.juggling.
rec.juggling was simply a small corner of usenet. The only thing usenet did was distribute text files (or binaries if you didn't mind being shouted at) from you to anyone that wanted to download them. That was it. & it was rubbish, service was patchy, not all messages got through, it was full of spam & MLM scams, archiving relied on the whims of a multitude of service providers, retrieval sometimes involved emailing your mates to see if they still had a cached copy of a post, & there was a constant influx of newbies who had no idea how the system functioned & were trying to work it out. Every newsgroup in existence could have legitimately been filed under the alt.test hierarchy. & for the love of God will someone please tell me if the rare wine red Mugen kendama IS STILL FOR SALE?!
But behind all that were people. People who had ideas. People who wanted to help. People who wanted to make you laugh. & without any fancy software to animate patterns, create causal diagrams, automated polls, competitions, categorised, searchable databases with automated data sanitisation people created STUFF just through swapping small text files.
Long before convenient free to use video streaming sites with infinite storage & bandwidth, & online editing tools existed. People worked together to navigate the minefield of competing file formats that only worked on half the computers, the numerous impossible to use video editing packages, negotiating the sharing of precious bandwidth & storage to host files for everyone to download. Yet we still had the glorious WJVF (anyone know what Arron Gregg is up to these days?) & the Juggletween project for example.
The top 40 jugglers of the year poll started life because Luke bothered to work through dozens of atrociously spelt & formatted answers to a survey by hand. Siteswap became popular due to the efforts of dozens of people creating hundreds of almost indecipherable ladder/state diagrams & number lines in ascii art, which were either works of genius or meaningless crap depending on your computer's default font.
Rec.juggling was fun to hang around not because of the software but because of all the people playing & experimenting & trying something new.
I thought if I could provide enough tools for people to play with I could keep that magic alive, but I was wrong.
Amen, or verily if you prefer, except for the last sentence. Of course one can never supply enough tools for everyone but you and the community supporting you have supplied more tools than anyone else and more tools than most people use, if they are even aware of them. Thank you for your good works.
I'd tell you about the Mugen, but I have no love of jod.
The Edge rocks - thank you.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
I agree, it's the people that make a community.
Why are the people no longer interested in this kind of community? Why are not all the people here? :(
Also, I thought this might be a good place to crosspost my comment on Jay's post:
"Thanks for summing up your thoughts Jay!
Let me do an attempt to sum up mine, freewheeling this so it might be a bit chaotic.
Just so everyone knows where I'm coming from: I've probably been part of nearly every (English spoken) web juggling forum. Rec, edge, OE, reddit, fb groups, remember the original Juggle Jabber, the social media website? Well I was there. I've read everything on the WJW and Gatto forums. Oh and of course diabolo.ca, and some Dutch sites such as Prikpagina and Diastylo.
I agree none of them were quite ideal. However, long as there were people, all of them were good enough!
I'm also a loooong term member of a non juggling community for pixel artists (pixeljoint.com). This is a 100% custom platform taylored to the needs of pixel artists, a perfect front page, daily new user content, community activities, news, serious discussions, light chatter etc. However, the platform is dying. I know the community from inside out, and have fought to keep it alive. It's still coping, but most of the community has disappeared, only 1 of the many many features is still actively being used. All pixel artists have moved to Twitter instead. A platform completely unsuitable for pixel art, where nothing is easy to find unless it was posted in the last 24 hours.
Even with a perfect platform, people disappear to these large generic social media sites...
Will a perfect juggling site help? Perhaps. But if people really were interested to connect with each other in this kind of way, Object Episodes and the Edge would have already taken off, and could slowly grow to this ideal juggling site. I don't believe that it could only exist if all puzzle pieces come together in one place.
However, because of my insane interest in these kinds of communities, I'm still happy to keep on trying. I'd be happy to take part in any new project, would be excited to advice and support anyone taking on a community site, and would pour in hours to try and make it work. Because of that drive, I've also created a platform myself, Manipeo.com. I hoped that the video content would draw in people, who could then be lead to the forum and such. However, also there the amount of daily visitors remains so low that it's not worth investing much more energy in, and my attempts at creating a community around it have all failed so far.
But, who knows. I sure would enjoy such a platform. But then again I also enjoy a simple forum, just like I enjoyed the original OE.
I believe that the most important thing you need for a community to function are people. The content and the features will follow automatically, if you can get people together.."
Mike Moore - - Parent #
I'm so with you on this entire post. I feel like Manipeo.com is one of the most underrated juggling resources out there. https://skilldex.org/ also comes to mind, as it's the most complete trick list (with tags!) that exists, AFAIK.
Manipeo is in my Message from the Chair section on the IJA eNewsletter this month. We have no data on how many people read that, either, but let me know if there's any kind of spike!
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Thanks for the mention! When is that being sent? (And why do those not appear on ejuggle? )
I just checked and there was a huuuuuge spike for today, so for a second I thought your message was super effective, but it turned out that all of that came from my recent facebook post.
For those who missed that one, here is a list of some full shows you can watch, a bunch of them were put online in the past few days:
http://manipeo.com/playlist/full-shows
Mike Moore - - Parent #
Seems like there was an error between the editor and I, and an older version of the message was sent out (one that did not contain mention of manipeo :( )
That playlist is exactly what I wanted to send out! I'll have to include it next month.
It was sent this morning. As for why the message doesn't appear in eJuggle: I'd say they're generally not worth an article. It's usually a couple paragraphs about what's on my mind at the moment, in terms of juggling. Sometimes they relate to current events, sometimes not. But maybe having the whole newsletter slotted into the eZine as a designated column would make sense. What do you think? If you haven't seen any of the eNewsletters and are curious, I'd be happy to forward the last few to you. They're not members-only or anything like that.
For example, here's the message from last month:
Forging the Uncertain Path: Finding Direction in Exotic Juggling
Whether you’re many miles from the nearest fellow juggler, or a world-class juggler in a niche area, you’re going to find yourself in unexplored areas of juggling. Places with patterns (and problems) you’ve never seen before! There are some methods that have allowed me to navigate those uncharted waters; hopefully they’ll help you, too.
If you’ve come up with a great new idea, the first step is deconstruction. What makes the idea great? A shape the balls make in the air? Some kind of body contortion? A charming rhythm? Determining the essence of the idea allows you to improve it or concentrate it (get rid of the setup throws).
Maybe the essence can mutate[1]. A particularly efficient way to find these mutations is to try to relate the new pattern to something you already know about. For example, with box: what if you thought about the columns as if they were two in one hand? You could have them as columns, but you could also do fountain. What if you thought of box as a distorted version of 423. If you do that, then all those amazing videos of 423 variations are now things to consider trying with box! One relationship discovery can lead to dozens of pattern discoveries. Others’ discoveries are now relevant, and you’re no longer so alone on your journey.
If you’ve ever made a surprising (juggling) relationship discovery, I’d love to hear about it. Send me an email at [email address].
[1] Some variations will be obvious: changing a neutral throw to a body throw, adding another ball, etc. This is still useful! Practicing obvious variations will inevitably improve your technical skill surrounding the essence of your idea.
Happy juggling!
Mike Moore
IJA Chair
If you come back here tomorrow at sometime after 08:00 UTC you will see either:
The first scheduled post on the Edge
A few posts calling me a moron because it didn't work
Actually, I think Marvin might still be sanitising the oven...
Richard Loxley - - Parent #
I remember rec.juggling. I remember how full of crap it was and even after the spam filters 95%+ of the posts didn't interest me.
You're right about the people making it. And the Juggling Edge has a mix of people far more tuned to my interests than r.j ever did :-)
I realize my initial message seemed a bit harsch considering i'm posting on the edge, but i'd like to clarify and say that the edge is what i consider the best community juggling message board around right now in terms of functionality and content!
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
This site has the potential to be attractive for all those who are not only interested in the last link on the most monstrously difficult trick ever juggled (a very interesting thing, there is no doubt, but a bit reductive, given the enormous amount of things to say on juggling). In fact, if those who are interested in this type of videos can find what they are looking for on Facebook, Instagram or YouTube, all the others are currently scattered in small, more or less niche realities, such as Reddit, so small as to induce the same jugglers who participate to talk more often than not about anything else (as evidenced by several discussions here).
Jay Gilligan wrote:the website should be in english, spanish, french, german, italian, and japanese at least
and you replied:All already in place except Japanese but I can add that very easily if anyone is interested in translating. Dutch & Russian are also available.
I have set Italian on my profile, but I don't see any difference compared to before: which parts have been translated? Thank you so much!
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
One last thing: in addition to the grayscale color differentiation and the indentation, could you think of some solution to make it clearer what level of answers you have arrived at with reading (for example the typical tree structure)? Because where there are many answers it becomes very unclear which message is being replied to. Grazie mille!
Have you seen the "Parent" link in each post that is a reply? It opens up a copy of the post that was replied to, right above your reply.
For example, when I saw you had posted in an old thread, I wasn't immediately sure who you'd replied to, so I clicked Parent, and got a blue copy of Orin's post above yours, and all became clear. :-)
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
Oh thank you! I still prefer the glance of a tree structure, but this feature is certainly very useful. I didn't know this meaning of «parent», however intuitive.
The amount that is in Italian depends on how much whichever volunteer has provided the Italian translation has been able to supply
For example when I look at this page on Italian version https://it.jugglingedge.com/forum.php?ThreadID=3635#Small25995Crea una nuova discussione
Cerca messaggi
Contrassegna la discussione come letto
Genitore - Segna come letto - Rispondi - Segnalibro - Modifica - Elimina
are in Italian, but Forum index
View 4050 unread posts
View 4050 unread direct replies
Mark all as read
Previous unread - Next unread
are still in English
If you are good at Italian and English and would like to help with the translation maybe message Orinoco
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
Thank you, the reason for the absence of changes in what I saw is clarified: once the language has been selected and the changes made to the settings were saved, the third-level domain it.* was not added to the page address, thanks to which the translation is applied. What should I have done to get that domain to be added?
I’m not good at all with English, but interface translations don't require much knowledge, and I’ve already noticed some errors in the translated entries (e.g. masculine plurals instead of feminine plurals), quindi se Orinoco vuole mi rendo disponibile a mettere mano alla traduzione 😉
As Mïark mentioned above the Italian version is accessed via the https://it.jugglingedge.com subdomain (however, I've just noticed that the SSL certificate has not auto renewed as it should. The Spanish site hasn't updated either but all other domains have. I have contacted the hosting provider to fix this so should be back to normal soon). The reason for using the subdomain is to make viewing the Edge in an alternative language easily available to everyone (including those who don't have an account) without the need to store cookies on the user's device.
If you are happy to help with translating that would be fantastic thank you! Just log in, at the bottom of each page on the it.jugglingedge.com site there will be a Traduci questa pagina link The original announcement of the feature includes the full instructions.
I made a start translating into Italian but I have no doubt it needs a native speaker to make some corrections!
Ho imparato un po' di Italiano impressionare una donna, ma lei non è impressionata!
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
at the bottom of each page on the it.jugglingedge.com site there will be a Traduci questa pagina link The original announcement of the feature includes the full instructions.
Well, I read the instructions and this weekend I'll work on it 👍.
OTHo imparato un po' di Italiano impressionare una donna, ma lei non è impressionata!
😄 Non sa cosa si è persa!
Giusto due cosette sulla frase: "Ho imparato un po' di italiano [in italiano le lingue si scrivono minuscole] per impressionare una donna, ma lei non è rimasta impressionata!"
Little Paul - - Parent #
I agree with those who have said the people/community are important, and I think it was Richard that said "build it where the people are". I'd also dearly love to see Jay succeed!
However, I think he's trying to bottle lightning.
rec.juggling (and the ijdb) occurred at a "perfect time" - they were the right tools, at the right time, on an internet which was very different to todays. There were fewer people on the internet, with fewer competing demands on their attention, with much fewer choices for places to discuss juggling, or find other jugglers.
Much like Juggling Magazines (eg The Catch) only worked because jugglers were hard to find, events difficult to learn about.
Today, jugglers are everywhere on the internet that people are! Youtube, instagram, facebook, twitter, tiktok. Juggling is more visible than it's ever been! This is great!
People are learning, sharing and expanding what it means to be a juggler more than ever before, and I think it's amazing. They're doing this with tools that fit their purpose and lifestyle. I don't feel it's stifling or fragmenting juggling at all, from where I'm sat it's quite the opposite.
OK, so some people are reinventing, but that has always happened (we just didn't get to see it) - and the mere fact that they're exploring and creating is more important than "oh, that's been done before"
I consume more juggling content now than I ever did for all those years I was the top-poster on rec.juggling, spewing out all that crap I posted...
Juggling history is more visible now than it's ever been, thanks to people like Eric, Thom Wall, David Cain. So much more richness is available than it ever was in the r.j days.
The sky isn't falling in.
There are lots of things wrong with the internet today, but I don't think there's a vacuum to be filled by a new site.
I'd love to be proved wrong though.
the edge offers the records section,
the edge offers this forum,
the edge offers stickman (sourceforge also allows embeds/linking anyway),
the edge has a log section with progress-charts plotted,
you can post images, videos, gifs,
the edge has the hashtag-feature so nothing needs get lost,
the edge in all that is comparable to former Ijdb
it's all here. use it!
I don't understand how people prefer to log records on juggling-records.com with near to no possibility to communicate,
how they prefer to "hide away" in own channels and nishes on fb, yt, insta, with only insiders knowing about them, single jugglers splattered all over the internet,
how they come asking for this 'n that video "with balls, where the guy wears a red shirt and turns around" (or whatever) instead of using hashtags and titles that can be found again later...
#jugglingcentral
..it all feels like dirty laundry, so I'll rather stop here.
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
the edge offers the records section,
[...]
the edge has a log section with progress-charts plotted,
you can post images, videos, gifs,
the edge has the hashtag-feature so nothing needs get lost
All useful things, but... essentially for a non-professional user. And this was precisely one of Jay's points, who rather than pontificate proposed what he considered useful. Everyone has their own preferences/needs. For example, I never use hashtags, which I find objectively impractical except for obviousness like #7balls. There are those who could choose #backcross and those who #backrosses...
If you add that this site deliberately has a nerdy approach to juggling, you understand why only a fraction of our community frequents it.
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
#backrosses
Typos are another reason I don't use hashtags 🤣 Sorry!
If you add that this site deliberately has a nerdy approach to juggling
You mean there is another approach to juggling?!
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
🤣. So rumors go around, but it's certainly the umpteenth unfounded rumor spread by some gutter punks!
I think, those just go by colors, that green & gray. and they wanna be welcomed by epileptic gifs jumping over and across the screen before the site finishes loading
'the site has an approach'?
.. I thought users posting have approaches.
the site offers features fit(ted?) to artists & jugglers. in the first place. - users are free to say what they like, including being nerdy.
on another day, those calling the edge nerdy, feeling served badly \ inappropriately \ wrong and therefore unfrequent this place, will preach freedom of speech & tolerance!?!
say sth unnerdy for heavens sake, then!
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
'the site has an approach'?
.. I thought users posting have approaches.
Maybe rhetorical figures are not among the main readings of a nerd, but Wikipedia (the nerdyest encyclopedia on Internet) also covers them.
👉https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy
EJC Review
I did not actually take contemporary notes at all, so this is a mixture of sleep-deprived truth and inadvertent fiction. Much of it took place, of that I am certain.
Saturday 3rd: Helen and I did not volunteer for any site set-up, so did not arrive on site until Saturday afternoon, as a pair of normal punters. The drive in took around 90 minutes. It was much the same as the drive to Bungay except we got to stop ever so much sooner.
Collected wristband, map, and leaflet (very nice full colour glossy) after not too long in the queue. Found Leeds jugglers' arbour, or possibly boudoir, and camped next to it. Much ferrying of boxes into the site, tent put up, spare tent put up (neither Helen nor I have ever managed to travel light, and for this EJC it was car camping which made things worse. So about 50% of our stuff went in the spare tent this trip.)
Wandered around site. Noticed that there is a long queue at the info point. This will be a recurring theme. Joined long queue to register on the cash system and exchange real money for fake money, then joined medium sized queue to give the bar staff fake money in exchange for beer. The process strikes me as excessively complicated.
Joined long queue for open stage, turned away some minutes later because tent is full. Learning quickly from experience, I don't try again.
Sunday 4th: was the Big Day Out in Newark. Despite growing up down the river in Nottingham, I believe this is the first time I've ever visited. It's a pleasant market town, making a good deal of its Civil War history. And why not? A nasty, safely dead king was overthrown and eventually decapitated by a nasty, safely dead, genocidal theocrat who died in bed, and it's all good clean fun for the kids.
Immediately after getting off the bus, we nipped into the supermarket for food and ice-cream. After that, enjoyed pottering around the castle, admired the parade from the sidelines. Highlights included the big and little elephants at the front, the band, and various small children all being unspeakably cute.
Newark market square was astonishingly crowded after the parade finished. We spent a few minutes there and then slipped away to get more food and explore. After walking more or less clockwise round the centre, we came back out on a canal lock, and then past the fire stage in a park. Walked back across the Trent and found the Fox and Crown and had a pleasant half-pint - this is a Castle Rock pub and gets me one further to ticking them all off. (I've been working on this for at least 20 years. It is not a high priority project.)
From behind the church we walked back to the square and watched Hotel Paradiso, by Lost in Translation, on the front steps and facade of the Buttermarket. It is perfectly splendid. There is a plot, and waiters popping out of windows on ropes, and mad chefs climbing Chinese poles, and lawyers being thrown through the air. Sadly the rain comes in just 5 minutes too early and brings the show to a halt before the triumphant climax.
The rain does not stop. We decide to skip the fire show and get back to site. The buses are on time and there are plenty of them, but we are, nonetheless, extremely wet.
The next show is Jonglissimo (8 pm showing). This is a very episodic show making a very great deal of back projection onto a scrim along with programmable LED props, and I enjoyed it. Much of the back projection is live mirroring, distortion, or prop tracking and there are some very nice effects, as well as good clean passing and juggling going on. As far as tech heavy, light-and-sound effects heavy shows go, difficult to see it being done any better.
The rain has stopped! For today, anyway.
Food happens, I assume. I don't recall for sure. The food court was noticeably thin today with several stalls shut when we get back from Newark - it gets better later in the week.
Renegade in the Magpie tent, hosted by Steve and Rosie. Very strong on keeping it moving and keeping it fun.
Monday 5th: I don't recall anything about Monday except the show - I saw Gibbon in the gala tent. I don't even remember if it was the first or second run. Enjoyed this. If the Gandini project can be regarded as crossing juggling and manipulation with other theatrical and musical genres (and why not), then this show strikes me as involving repetition, frustration, physical farce, and repetition to the extent that it's practically Beckettian. Plus they are pretty good jugglers.
Did I do some whip cracking today?
Tuesday 6th: Some time right about now, we drove back into Newark to go to the supermarket and buy beer (also peaches, pea pods, and pananas). We also give Cornish Hazel a lift to do the same. After we get back, I volunteer for some litter picking while Helen goes to the BJC meeting. BJC 2020 will be in Perth! Poor Avril.
We watch the Bullzini Family high wire show at 5 pm. Blimey. It's cut a little short because of wind but even so, is remarkably impressive, as are the high Victorian bloomers with spangles.
Later on, I watch the Alternative Games in the Play tent. No injuries that I saw, despite much exuberance. I do not remind anyone that Alt Games put four stitches in my face a few years ago. Wouldn't want to scare them...
Wednesday 7th: EJA General Assembly lasts, by my reckoning, approximately one geological era. Not Ron's fault as the country voting is fast enough but there's quite a lot of countries, then the site selection for next year comes to a contested vote. We walk out by matched pairs until it is obvious that Finland wins! Madrid is then voted in for 2021.
The first weather warning from Jane Randall to the meeting. Mental note to put up guy lines on Thursday evening.
Helen and I wait for the ceilidh at 6 pm. It does not appear. Many other UK and Ireland jugglers are also waiting. Eventually, rumours permeate that the band might turn up at 8, or possibly 9. Still, there's always beer. Once the band does arrive we both dance with enthusiasm and vigour and in Helen's case skill.
Thursday 8th: Mostly a social day. No shows at all, a little bit of peeking at the fire space. The Leeds boudoir has been taken down, and we take down our sun tarps and guy out the tents a bit more efficiently. No more pleasantly cool lie-ins in the morning.
Today we also spot white mildew inside the tent, thanks to the combination of damp ground (although the drainage has been, as promised, excellent), very warm days, and plenty of cow and sheep shit from agricultural shows. Fuck. We do not burn the tent to the ground. Instead, I clean off the groundsheet and our luggage the best we can, and rearrange things for improved airflow. *Under* the groundsheet will have to wait until we get home.
After checking the tent over I watch a bit of the unicycle trials finals. The course is impressively large and varied and the jumps and grinds are suitably dramatic. The commentator is not particularly audible, being loud but too fast and not clear. Maybe it's better on the recording than over the speakers?
There is much rain from about midnight, but the ground is well drained and there's virtually no mud!
Friday 9th: We miss every single show. I go to a CPR workshop run by the wonderful Dr Helen. As well as the refresher in CPR, I also get to be a body for three different people to be moved into the recovery position. It's nice to lie down and have a nap.
I also spend a bit of time with a rope lasso today.
The wind is definitely picking up, but there is a renegade in Marybelle. An excellent club juggling routine from Men in Slacks, and overall one of the better renegades of the week, I thought. I'm pleased to see there is less pointless nudity than some years and more emphasis on the unusual, skilful, just plain daft.
By Friday evening, the call is made to move the gala shows out of the gala tent and into the main hall. There was an astonishing group volunteer effort over Friday and Saturday to make this happen.
Saturday 10th: It is noticeably noisy in the tent in the morning but neither of the tents looks at risk at all. There is a bit of rubbish and litters blowing around the site by now though.
By now, we are both sleep-deprived. Some things definitely happened during the day, probably. When it's not blowing a gale, it's a very warm day. Helen tells me the show ground permanent cafes have more veggie food options in today. Seems a little late. She also watches the indoor games, which go well, and has a medium long run in the hula gladiators.
I chat to Dr Helen and somehow end up volunteering to manage volunteers on Sunday, for the start of clean up and takedown. Bother.
Helen and I take our chairs into the evening gala show. Trying to find clean sightlines is a bit of a pain but there is an enormous amount of goodwill in the hall. It's a fantastic show! Tiff is dropless, Swing Circus is a joy to watch, everyone is excellent. We're next to Ian Deady so I manage to chat a little, haven't seen him for a couple of years.
(At least two of the acts are linked to Leeds, meaning that pro-rata we are punching way, way above our weight. You should come to Hullabaloo and see what makes it so special! First time's free, tea and biscuits are always free...)
Sunday 11th: We assemble at 10 am to do our best. About 50% of the people who signed up for Sunday volunteering turn up over the morning; several more who didn't sign up also volunteer. The main skills for herding volunteers are being confident in a loud voice which we can both do, and we are pretty sure we manage to send people to the right areas of the site. I take a few breaks from the desk to take down lighting and poles around the team camping. Helen takes a few breaks to get food and water. I get a dehydration headache. Silly me. Helen is very excited to find the scissor brooms for the main hall!
(We are both very grateful to all the volunteers who turn up. Thank you!)
Finally, about 5 pm we call it a day and hand the volunteer management back to the core team. Hugs and we're off. There is more traffic than the previous weekend and it slightly longer than 90 minutes.
A week later, Monday 19th: Tents and tarps are clean and dry. The groundsheets have been scrubbed, spot cleaned with isopropyl alchohol, and scrubbed again. Many piles of laundry have been laundered.
I didn't play enough games, hug enough jugglers, or do enough club passing. We did have a lovely time. Massive thanks to the whole org team and especially to Jane Randall.
I still think the cashless system was shit.
HLGCB:
H: Bullzini Family! And too many to mention.
L: Dehydration headache on the last Sunday. Idiot. Drink more water!
G: Not really. Managed some OK ball on club balancing, I guess?
C: Helen. Duh.
B: Fucking mildew.
.. see you in Finland?
Mike Moore - - Parent #
Jon's previous reviews inspired me to give it a try. Oddly enough, his 2016 review is one of the most informative EJC resources online, and was a great help in my preparation this year!
I find it interesting to see that our weeks began similarly, and diverged after ~Monday.
Prelude
Getting ready for EJC was a little bit troublesome. We tried to rent tents from the ZIP, but by the time we did, they were completely out of tents. It was kind of last minute, but it didn’t cross my mind that they could run out of tents – the price of rental was about the cost of a tent (i.e. I’m paying for the convenience of their delivery and setup) so I’d figured ZIP would have bought more.
This led me to a brief panic where I asked around on the Facebook group if there were any alternatives to the rented tents. None of the alternatives that came up in the first few hours were reliable enough for my satisfaction (“Just come, someone’ll have a spare!”), so I wound up booking a hotel. I'm trying to plan and keep things organised…somewhat against the advice of some EJC veterans on Facebook.
Friday night/Saturday
Plane was delayed by about an hour and a half. We learned this well before we had left for the airport. Despite that, Emily was particularly keen on getting to the airport as quickly as possible, which resulted in us arriving about four hours early. No checking luggage yet! We spent about 20 minutes juggling (no breakthroughs there), about 40 minutes Skyping with my family, and then it was finally time to check her bags.
We breezed through the security, spending a total of about 5 minutes in line and at kiosks. We spent some time looking at the EJC overall and workshop schedule and plotting out some particularly high priority events or workshops we wanted to attend. I was somewhat surprised by the lack of advanced ball juggling workshops, but hopefully I'll find and some skilled jugglers that will be happy to teach me things. Our flight wound up boarding early (for being late), so it was nice that we were nearby. I slept well on the plane, only waking up at the very moment when I needed to eat my surprisingly nice airline food.
After ~1 hour on the Underground, a 20-minute delay on the LNER, and then ~1 hour on the LNER train, we concluded the trip with a riveting 20-minute walk with luggage to arrive at our hotel. We settled in and went out to see what Newark-on-Trent had to offer.
The town was small and nice. There were a couple grocery stores nearby that stocked our hotel room with vegetables for the next while. More interesting restaurants than we would be able to enjoy, given that most of our meals would be at the showgrounds. We found ourselves having burritos at Holy Moly Newark due to its high Google rating. The service and wait time were both mediocre, but the food was fantastic. Highly recommend, especially at an off-peak time.
Sunday
Good heavens, a full English breakfast is included in the hotel’s free morning meal! Along with fruit, cereal, etc. Emily and I were feeling like the decision to stay in a hotel was a good one. We went into the fest at about 9:30, hitching a ride with my juggling student and his parents. We took a walk around the showgrounds to get oriented and enjoyed its atmosphere. Seemed like there was going to be some great juggling happening that week!
We were just a few minutes from getting into a whip cracking workshop, which was disappointing. Ah well, we checked out the main juggling hall and made sure to get back to the whip cracking before the start time this round.
Whip cracking turned out to be a lot of fun! The instructor broke down the form nicely. After some feedback, the motion felt intuitive and I was able to get consistent cracks with either hand. For whatever reason, my left hand had an easier time. This workshop only lasted 20 minutes instead of the scheduled hour, so I made a note to get back to the Western Arts Area later in the week. Here’s a clip from near the end of the workshop: https://youtu.be/2ZMEghpUIHI
We hitched a ride into town with my student’s family for the parade and shows. The scale of the parade was impressive (https://youtu.be/aaozDoYibI4). Jugglers filled a huge park, showing everything you’d imagine at a parade of jugglers plus a life-sized, walkabout wire elephant. The pacing of the parade was a little confused, resulting in us being a bit densely-packed to juggle. Nonetheless, the crowd seemed happy and I was happy to have been a part of it.
We went off to a pub to get Emily some authentic English food (she’d been warned) and enjoyed our fish and chips and Yorkshire pudding. We caught only the second of the in-town show, which was a nicely choreographed story about hotel employees trying to keep their place of work from being bought out. The audience was left in suspense when the rain caused the show to finish prematurely. Were the tips by the pool enough to save the day??
We caught the Jonglissimo show that night, which was well worth seeing. The show had a narrative thread of a woman doing a homework assignment to think about the future. Certain aspects of the future (space, cloning, teleportation, etc.) had acts built around them, featuring loads of interesting projections and augmented reality effects. Certainly a high-level, marketable act! It was different enough from things I’d seen that I felt like I was enjoying it more as a member of the general public, rather than a juggler.
Monday
Woke up too late for the hotel breakfast. Ah well.
It was a splendid day on both juggling and social fronts! It seems that my juggling had gotten some notice across the pond, at least among those who are interested in 3/4b juggling. I was grateful for all the people who approached me with pattern requests. I’ve come away with several patterns to work on that I adore! It was also lovely to be asked about how to learn certain patterns. I feel like my critiquing/coaching is getting stronger these days. Sometimes people’s mistakes make me reconsider degrees of freedom I’d been taking for granted and open up new patterns. Thank you to everyone who did these things! A few favourites were T-box (box with columns stacked, 2x goes along the top), Lucas Adverse’s old pattern (jellyfish), and 94453 in dots. I should’ve written down the names of the people who taught/suggested these to me, sorry!
I met Lewis Kennedy today! It was wonderful talking with him and interesting to learn that we started juggling at roughly the same time. We reminisced about the Youtube days, team Shreddy Crunch, and other ~2008-2012 trends. That man has some serious social skills!
I went to a workshop hosted by Sean Gandini, where we tried some polyrhythmic juggling. The warm-ups/proofs of concept were well-paced, and it built to some nice 4 ball fountain patterns where one hand went at a quicker tempo than the other. This kind of juggling tickles me in a particular way, and if I'm not careful it's going to be the next thing that I think a few months into. Perhaps the next time I get mildly injured.
Uriel sent a message saying that he had “organized” up a ball combat game. Nothing gets the blood pumping like running jumping and smacking forearms while playing ball combat with a bunch of awfully skilled Israeli jugglers.
There was a rule they had against attacking from behind. When we play combat in Ontario, or the States have played in, attacking from the back is the best strategy. This limited the utility of my typical style (focused on mobility and quick 180s) and forced me to broaden my skills. Very fun and worthwhile.
The open stage tent was full by the time I’d approached, so no open stage for me tonight. I'll have to go more than 15 minutes early in the future. I'm still not used to the idea of show venues being so much smaller than the number of participants. With everybody packed in, the total capacity was probably something like 600 people, compared to the roughly 4000 people who showed up at some point that week.
Tuesday
Learned a few more patterns today. Lauge helped me to understand some of his more basic carry siteswap patterns. I mostly learned jellyfish with the other side. I also thought of a variation of T-box where the columns rotate in the plane of the juggling one over top of the other. This trick by itself almost makes a video on morphing boxes worthwhile. I also met Iver which was a lot of fun. It's so cool to meet lots of jugglers that I've only seen or talked to online before. Eivind Dragon is also great!
I tried out the juggling infinity bean bags, the new kids on the block of juggling bean bags. There are a couple things that I'm interested about them. First, their plastic filling seems denser than typical polypropylene. I wonder what kind of material it is. Apparently it's much finer than one would expect, but that shouldn’t affect the bulk density (unless there’s also some diversity in particle shape? Hmmm).
I’m skeptical about the utility of the lifetime warranty. Its rare that falls break before becoming unusably saggy, or have multiple break at once. It would be very annoying to have a 2-year-old set where half of them had broken and half of them had been repaired or replaced. Finally, there's no guarantee that the business is going to stay alive for the next 10 years, so I'd be a little worried about that, too. It seems good at a glance, but I don't think it's useful. Nonetheless, they seem like very functional beanbags!
I went to two shows tonight. The open stage was generally strong. Dave Kelly’s juggling of Russian juggling balls on tennis rackets seemed completely impossible. The backcross variations and 6b between 4 racquets were fantastic. The second stand-our act was Sagi’s act with laundry hampers. There was an astounding amount of imagination that went into that act which was joined by gorgeous execution. It will be difficult to explain to others how he made so many interesting scenarios using these set of laundry hampers.
After the open stage was the IRC. I was curious with how well that would go, given the European scene doesn't seem as open competition in juggling as the North American one. Turns out, it was fantastically. The first two places practically redefined their craft.
Emily and I managed to get a spot front and centre by being quick to sit on the grass. The show started very strongly with Alexis Levillon doing his diabolo act. This included double vortex, and single vertax with one horax (probably a better name for this, but you get the idea). His character was well established and interesting throughout. His closing vertax combination with one diabolo was very strong and about as creative as vertax can be (link: https://www.instagram.com/p/B1QAv4EjoHf/). Alexis placed second.
Next up was a spectacularly interesting act involving staff fishtails while doing bounce juggling by Sebastian Berger from Austria. It was well presented with occasional (but effective) commentary of things like “things people can do” and “things nobody can do” etc. His finale pattern was four ball bounce while maintaining dual fishtails. Sebastian placed first!
Third place went to Ariane Oechsner, an antipodist who had a well-choreographed, solid act. Artfully tangled limbs, and lots of multiplexes with some thrown onto her feet (sample: https://www.instagram.com/p/B1UH-YRDzd3/). Luca Pderdmenges had a fun (and tough) club act, and Helena Berry made a surprising number of balls appear from under her baggy shirt. A list of all of the finalists is here: https://www.juggle.org/programs/irc-europe-finalists
After the IRC we went back to the gym where I played with a Craig Quat prop for a little while and then went back to the hotel. No problems getting a taxi tonight.
Wednesday
Today was a bit more relaxing. After breakfast we went back to sleep for another hour. I got the 12:00 bus into Newark Showground, and Emily came a little later.
I got myself some tea and went to the EJA assembly. It was somewhat interesting to see the difference between how they conduct their meetings compared to how the IJA conducts theirs. Something that stood out to me was that 2 years ago, in Lublin, the organisation turned a profit of roughly £95,000. The year after, in Azores, the prophet was about £15,000. I don't know where that money goes, because it doesn't seem like the EJA has crazy money on hand (i.e. it seems to have enough, but not a dramatically increasing sum). A question for the treasurer, if I can find her later.
There was a vote for which location was going to take the next EJC. Finland and Madrid both applied. Personally, I thought Finland had a slightly stronger bid, with the exception and the fatal exception of schedule and it during IJA. When someone else asked about this, it was clear that the IJA had not been a consideration for the Finnish organizers. It was further disappointing to hear several people (including some executives of the EJA) vocally dismissing North American attendance (“Who cares, for all two or three people who come!”). Also somewhat surprising, considering 2/9 acts in the EJC’s gala show are regular attendees of the IJA (Thom Wall, Dan Holzman). And Matt Hall running 10 workshops through the week, and David Cain doing his juggling history show. Really a shame, because I would have considered going next year in Finland. The Finns did wind-up winning the bid, so unfortunately, no EJC for us next year.
After the meeting I wound up doing a little juggling and went to find my write-in “learn inverted box” workshop. It turned out to have been in a somewhat hidden location, but no big deal, people got there eventually. 45 minutes seemed to be about right for the workshop, and people seems to make a lot of progress in that time. As usual, there was a very wide range of skill levels at an inverted box workshop, including people who could not really do box yet. I hope everyone managed to get something out of it.
I ate a large dinner consisting of a meat with meat with meat with falafel sandwich, and a tuna and cucumber sandwich. Again, following not very much juggling, we lined up for the open stage on the rumour that Toby Walker was going to be in it.
Well, it turns out Toby Walker was not actually in that open stage. There were a few pretty good acts, including an interesting hand balance rola bola act. It was novel and I’m curious with how it will progress. The other standout was the closer Eyal Bor, who did a very well put together ball juggling act.
Thursday
Feeling a little bit sore after trying some as Lauge's carry tricks and some rapid crossing-arms shower that I learnt in line at the open stage. Hoping that feels better today or tomorrow.
The (inverted) box variations workshop went relatively well. Due to some confusion about starting times, a parade of jugglers came out all about 15 minutes into the workshop. Bennett graciously stepped up to teach inverted box to those who didn't know it. Everyone seemed to make a lot of progress! Many of jugglers in the advanced group managed some high-low inverted boxes, some in line 3, and some cross-columned inverted box. I really wish I’d had a 3-ball juggler to teach me earlier on in my juggling career.
Below were “choreography” notes for my renegade act. I thought I’d leave them here in case someone was interested:
Inverted box + Mura transition to cross columned inverted + inverted dome box + high low inverted dome box, STOP
Box + popped up Luke's shuffle + popped up inverted box + levels + descending inverted box, STOP
Orbits + extended + cross-columned extended + high low cross-columned inverted box, STOP
Inverted box + fork catch and point to dots in left hand + inline 3 + high low inline 3, STOP
The Scandinavian Renegade was amazing. There were lots of very strong acts and whacky tricks. The setup was also interesting: after a performer finished, the crowd was asked if they…
deserved a beer. If yes, do they also…
deserve a shot? If yes, do they also…
deserve to become THE KING OF NORWAY? (comes with a crown, scepter, and as much alcohol as you wish until you’re dethroned)
The crowd was kind enough to vote me into the monarchy! Knowing the clock was ticking on my rule, I had absinth for the first time, and found myself quite enjoying it. I was dethroned two or three performers later, happy for the experience.
There were lots of notable performances that night, including Lauge, Tarorin, Thom Wall, and many more. I bowed out at about 1:30 am, but apparently the show didn’t finish until about 6:00 am!
Friday
My dots workshop was happening at noon, and it’s rapidly becoming my favourite. First, pretty much everybody approaches it as a novice of dots. Second, the technique is non-obvious, and the benefits of knowing that technique are dramatic. I’ve run it a few times, and it seems like the progression works very well for most people. Maybe it’s time to make a worksheet.
I tried working on a shower variation inspired by the hand positions of Lucas’s jellyfish pattern. There’s no uncertainty now: practicing this pattern a few days ago is what’s caused my left pec to be sore. That’s not bad, though: I did go into this festival with the goal of coming out sore.
The workshop on practice tips was a bit smaller than expected. Thom, Havaard, and Wes were listed as the panelists, but Wes was the only one there at the beginning of the session. Haavard was recovering from the 6:00 am Scandegade, and Thom was in the gala show tech. It turned out to be ok, but mostly stuff that I knew already. It seems the longer one has to practice, the better unstructured practice works. It always makes me jealous hearing that people can consistently have long practice sessions. My lifestyle is much more like Matt Hall’s than Wes’s or Haavard’s, and I’m thrilled if I can get an hour of practice in each day.
Saturday
The main juggling hall became the gala show site due to high winds, relegating juggling practice to some nearby barns. Josh Mermelstein and I bounced 4b Boston mess ideas off of each other for a while, and came out with some interesting ones that will hit instragram sometime.
The games were a bit rough around the edges. It seemed like the emcee’s first time running games, which led to a few letdowns. There were typical issues, like not knowing what to call for some endurances and Simon Says (with the typical symptom of calling increasing numbers of spins). They tried to sell the idea that each juggler was only allowed to compete in one of 5, 7, and 9 ball endurance, but after enough booing, they backed down from that. That said, I still learned about 3b zombie (not zombie combat), which was fun. Next time I’ll have to be a little more aggressive with getting zombies out of my way.
The Gala show was underwhelming. I’d seen about half of it before (Thom and Dan Holzman many times, Masa twice, Matthew Tiffany and Florence Huet once each), and the other half didn’t have much for me. I did appreciate Thom’s two health bars balloon popping finale. You can see said finale at the bottom of this blog post: https://thomwall.com/ejc-2019/
Sunday
Emily and I enjoyed one final large breakfast and departed from our lovely hotel. We very narrowly caught our plane (gah! Darn trains.) and had an uneventful trip back.
Good fun all around. I will intend to go to future EJCs, excepting scheduling conflicts.
>Something that stood out to me was that 2 years ago, in Lublin, the organisation turned a profit of roughly £95,000. The year after, in Azores, the prophet was about £15,000. I don't know where that money goes, because it doesn't seem like the EJA has crazy money on hand (i.e. it seems to have enough, but not a dramatically increasing sum). A question for the treasurer, if I can find her later.
I am not the treasurer. My understanding is that 50% of any surplus goes to the host organisation (which will be a non-profit company in the local jurisdiction which actually runs the convention). That half is usually spent by the host org on grants and donations to support and develop the circus community in the area, hopefully meaning a strong legacy over the few years after the convention itself.
The other 50% (so around 55,000 euros over the last two years, but very volatile each year) goes to the EJA. In turn, the EJA is a non-profit organisation under Netherlands law. As well as providing multi-country, multi-currency booking for the pre-reg system, the EJA also provides loans to convention org teams (expenses start coming due a long time before ticket income begins to flow, especially when you are booking 2 or more years ahead), and may sometimes provide other financial assistance. So the 55,000 euros will go directly to helping an EJC in 2020, 2021, 2022...
For what it's worth, the IJA festival appears to run a remarkably similar surplus - the last accounts on the website say $34,000 surplus in 2017. And both the IJA and each EJC will always budget to a small percentage surplus, because then the event can cope with a few sudden unexpected costs without sending anyone bankrupt. We hope, anyway.
Mike Moore - - Parent #
Thanks for breaking down the EJC profit allocation.
My curiosity comes from the differences between IJA and EJC. The first difference is the one in festival profits. On (a five-year) average, the IJA's festival has turned a profit of 16967 USD[1]. The EJC seems to turn much greater profits - more or less as you'd expect with the greater attendance numbers.
The second difference is where festival profits go. The IJA is not just in charge of its annual festival. It has loads of other projects: IJA Regional Competitions (IRCs), the Youth Juggling Academy, Tricks of the Month, Monthly Tutorials, World Juggling Day, etc. Some of these are revenue neutral, most of them pull from the IJA general fund or from private donations. Historically, the IJA depended on festival profits to subsidize other projects like this. I don't know if the EJA does things like this (I don't think so, but I could be as mistaken as people who think the IJA only runs the festival).
I also don't know how much money the EJA has on hand - if it's still in the position of needing to generate large amounts of revenue to have enough money to front fests/mitigate risks or not. (I couldn't find this on the EJA page, but it's possible I missed it.)
[1] - Looking into this, I was surprised to see the diversity of types of financial reporting that's appeared on the IJA's financials page over the years. I spoke with our treasurer and we're going to bring this up at the next board meeting.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Some years ago I considered doing a juggle jabber interview with the EJA director, then decided against it as I assumed few people would find it interesting. But now I wonder, maybe I should? I sure am curious how stuff works, even though (or maybe because of) I've been quite involved and have (past) EJC and EJA board members as close friends..!
Mike Moore - - Parent #
I'd download 5 times to help the numbers!
Would be very much interested in such an interview. I'm a huge fan of this series anyway and try to get other jugglers to watch it ?
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
:D thanks, both of you! I'll reconsider, the series needs to be picked up again anyway. At least I can finally foresee that I will have some time again for it, unlike last year!
Another difference (although I'm not sure if it is really significant compared to the festival income) I believe is that the IJA has members with membership fees while the EJA - as far as I understand, please correct me - does not really have any paying members and the income from EJCs is the only income.
BTW I quite enjoyed, that you and some of your countrymen could come to the EJC and I would have preffered a date for the next EJC which does not collide with the IJA festival times. Also I think the EJA board members at least should be more understanding about that. (I was the guy talking to you at Newark train station and was in your dots and inverted box workshops where I clumsyly tried to follow you - sorry my right arm was still not fully functional after it broke five to six weeks prior to the EJC. I'm slowly getting there now but there is still a lot of armspeed missing - tried to flash 5 balls on 7 ball height today, this worked,much better before I broke it.)
Thanks for the reviews, guys, here are my disjointed untimelined ramblings.
#EJC2019
-Parking spot by the red gate, which was right by the quiet camping, which had quiet people camping in it. (Well, there was one baby....)
-Spotting friends, old, older and new throughout the day and helloing. Hire wire show was good. I caught David Cain's history show (with lights and audio) for the second time - a few new bits. Good stuff.
-My cryptic crosswords for beginners workshop started with 3 people, soon grew to 8, and then suddenly 20. I'd re-written the order of things, and made better example clues, and the group-deconstructing of them seemed to go well. Several "Ahh!" moments from attendees, so I'm pleased with how that went. A few people returning later in the week with the example crossword - "We think it's Gateaux, but we're not sure why?..." (It wasn't gateaux) - Dave D having almost completed it, and some general laid-back solving sessions. All good. (Monthly crossword from me at https://tlmb.net/blog/ / https://twitter.com/TheVoidTLMB )
-Minor queues for loos and showers, and the latter being a temperature gamble. Par for the course, then. At one point I was washing the dishes up, next to two German guys, and we all realised at the same time that we were all uncomfortably tall for the sink height. Worse things happen at sea.
-My beginners kendama workshop had about 15 people, and I worked through the standard Kyu tricks in the hour. Most people got most of the tricks (or at least, well along the way to nailing them), so that's another tick. It was nice to see quite a lot of "unprovoked" kendama play at the EJC this year, and quite a lot of Royal Signatures draped around people's necks. I just about lasted the hour of the scheduled kendama jam. Lunar Hop was (surprisingly) new to me, so nice to hit it in Follow , but only to then miss the Spike. Oh, how these old bones shiverrrr...
-No Donald, no Monte, no poker. A brief frisbee session. Anna and Becky delivering the mail. Bungay flyers doubling as SJC flyers. Pasta or gnocchi on the camping stove.
-I was asked to film someone's act, so met up with Pascal, and arranged details. This meant I ended up watching the Tuesday Open Stage. Actually not bad. One highlight was glancing out of the side of the tent during one act, to see a bunch of ~5 jugglers "joining in" with the act (two girls, manipulating 1 hoop and 1 club, with trickswaps and movement interaction - nicely done), which was quirkily sweet. I packed up my camera quickly and dashed off the the IRC (pronounced "irk!") show, mainly because some guy called Matt was compèring it. During the show I was reminded of Mikey(?) once saying "Its nice to watch an act you know all the words to". The acts were a mixed bag for me, some seeming like throwbacks to classic IJA (junior?) teams routines, others having lovely individual ideas. The three medalists were the ones I would have chosen, but maybe not in that order.
-Meanwhile, a few nights earlier, Matt Hall had mentioned "Arron and Taylor" were flying in from a circus trip in Afghanistan. I didn't know who Arron was, but cool. The next night I was introduced to Taylor and, briefly, Arron, who I was surprised to find was female. Ok. But fast forward again to the IRC show when Matt introduces Arron, who comes on stage... and turns out to be Erin. (I'd failed to recognise her when we were introduced, 'cos she had a big hat on, it was dark, and, er, I'm stupid.) Later that night I got Matt to read out loud the written-down names "Arron" and "Erin", and sure enough, I could barely tell the difference. Schwa-schwa-a-go-go.
-Site was good, not too big, although my feet ached by the end of the week. The electronic money system was immensely annoying, so I refused to use it. I lived out of Aldi all week, and none of the onsite food outlets got any of my money. (Unless you count someone buying me an ice cream.)
-Lots of fun chatting to various Leftpondians this convention, be it those I'd met before - Matt, David, Scott, Erin, Cate, Greg, Karen -, ones I've "known" for quite a while from the internet - Thom (Thanks for the book! :-) ), Taylor, Mike -, or new acquaintances - Greg *really* likes my hat. On Thursday, I mentioned that I hadn't yet toss-juggled at the convention. Scott offered me the use of "the best juggling clubs in the world" to break my duck with. I pondered what he could mean by that, then asked "are they yellow?". Shortly afterwards I had a 10-minute session with his Dube Americans, which have a lovely spin, but terrible audio. Fun. Apart from that, all I did in the week was a little ken/zingdama, and a brief Rubberwrist diabolo session with Guy and Susannah.
-I saw the Diabolo Battle show. Best one I've seen yet. Marky Jay kept it fun and flowing (apart from interrupting the final at the wrong point, d'oh), and there were a lot of slick skills on display. Can't believe I once had the nerve to enter this. Good to see the ever-evolving trick sessions in the gym.
-After I signed a second kendama, I realised that both of my messages could be read either with or without the punctuation. Delivered my books to a mobile museum. Too skint to pick up more for my own.
-In the EJC meeting, the vote between Finland and Spain clearly went Finland's way. Ron decided to physically split the voters in to the two sides of the tent for a recount. It was clearly in Finland's favour. So Ron decided to pair-off all the voters out of the door until one side had voters left. It was clearly Finland that had most votes. So, Finland then. Hopefully I'll get to go, as I enjoyed 2010 Joensuu, except for the heat.
-Meanwhile, it's back to Scotland for a summer BJC next year. You absolute muppet, Avril. Sorry - typo, I mean "Nice one Avril!". Some nice words about JTV. Spooked a paramedic. I watched someone else do a dead man's routine. Have you really lived if you haven't done that? Bought some balls, which was wrong, because I don't listen to my girlfriend. Correcting that, 'cos Alex is a dude. Haggis doing toothbrush tricks.
-A lot of excitement about a car. Taking possession, eventually, of a hard drive full of videos. Congratulating Erin on her correct pronunciation of "arse", and telling her the Arron-Erin story. Using some of Richard Herring's Emergency Questions to lighten the mood after a friend had had an bad turn - but only being able to remember the filthy ones. Gary Glo seemingly not knowing how old he is, and (unconnectedly) being impressed with the Zingdama's (Thanks Dan!) construction. Taylor's reaction to getting a broad-bean crisp splat in the forehead - [blink, shudder], "What just happened?" Sending postcards to random people, telling them to point their toes. Catching snatches of Rumpel.
-Lots of hanging out and talking various degrees of crap with people around the bar area, which was great until they took the canopies away. Pointed accusingly at Toby Walker one night: "You're a star-belly sneech, you're sucking like a leech!" He was confused. Tried again later with "Kiss ass while you bitch so you can get rich", but he was still lost. THEN DON'T WEAR THE T-SHIRT, DUDE!
-Saw Jon on Saturday morning looking sharp. "You look like..... [thinks]..... You look like someone who's about to give a talk!". Went to his ABC Tour talk, took some notes, chuckled a bit. Went to the games, sat down to wait for them to start. A few minutes later, realising I wasn't in the mood to watch the games, I left. Bonus.
-1,2,3, clap clap clap, pat pat pat, Wanker! (Well if you will use a feeble excuse like "I'm having hip surgery" as an excuse for ducking out of a grading, then that's what you get.)
-I saw the first run of the Gala show. Highlights for me were Masa and Thom, but somehow the overall show didn't cut it for me as an EJC gala. I suppose the late venue change really didn't help. I heard the second show had a better atmosphere. Ah well.
-Jaffa cakes, Parma Violets, BlackJacks, croissants, coffee. An avocado. Ewano's photographic timing. And all the stuff I've forgotten.
-Fresh rip in the bell tent from the wind. Emergency repair by fak. Arriving as 2 people, leaving as 5. General exhaustion, and post-convention cold for the next week.
ICYMI, https://tlmb.net/galleries/EJC2019
Thanks for my 17th EJC Jane & crew, & all volunteers. IT WAS FUN. Oops, I didn't mean to type that with caps lock on, but hey, I'll let it stand...
Next stop, Dundee.
''Pointed accusingly at Toby Walker one night: "You're a star-belly sneech, you're sucking like a leech!" He was confused. Tried again later with "Kiss ass while you bitch so you can get rich", but he was still lost. THEN DON'T WEAR THE T-SHIRT, DUDE!''
Perfectly entitled to rip the shirt from his back and set fire to it IMO.
Reminds me of the time David Beckham wore a shirt with a glittery Crass symbol with no idea what it represented.
Pah, kids today...
I'd make him work hard all day with a gun in his back for a bowl of rice a day.
This soon! :-D
The long awaited review is now online and can be accessed here: https://www.juggle.org/the-european-juggling-convention-2019-review-newark-on-trent-uk/
Thank you to the organisers once again, you rock!
Cheers, Jon
Mike Moore - - Parent #
Thanks for the shoutout!
I was one of the people booing the "You can only take part in one of 5, 7, and 9 ball endurance" decision. If they want to limit who /wins/ some prize, then make the limitation on winning. Realistically, I'm not going to get anywhere near close to winning 5 or 7b endurance. But I'd still like to play.
Good suggestion!
You're right, everyone should be able to take part but you cannot be named the winner if you won previously. I like it. :-)
#Polichinelle
New club listing in Belgium
Hi!
If you ever find yourself lost in Belgium, especially in Liège, a tuesday evening, I added an existing juggling/circus meeting to the list! It's from the Polichinelle Circus School. We are basically open every tuesday of the year (exception made during the EJC) and can accommodate jugglers, aerialists (silk and trapeze), and acro people.
More info on the club listing.
Cheers,
Shower thoughts
I've discovered (although it's probably nothing new) an easy system to translate siteswaps into shower variations. Instead of saying "high high low mid high" when doing a shower, you can find new patterns easily.
The idea is to take any siteswap, take all digits separately and "convert" them into a "shower" sequence. This would translate like this
0 -> 00
1 -> 11
2 -> 31
3 -> 51
4 -> 71
5 -> 91
6 -> b1
etc ...
So you can do for example a 63641 shower, which would translate to b151b17111
It's an easy way to find new ways to make showers interesting. I'll let you think of something more fun to do than 11 sequences ;-)
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Ohh, that's sweet!
Do you have an explanation/proof of why it works? Are there similar transformations that would work too?
I'd love to find solid theory for WHY it works ;-). If anybody wants to chip in, please do!
I haven't found other cases like that right now. It reminds me of a workshop by Mees Jager about sprung siteswaps where he said that 4 balls sprung is like juggling a 3 balls cascade with a ball that come and go between each throw. With that in mind, you can easily imagine nice sprung siteswaps.
Interesting, I 'discovered' early on when playing with siteswaps you can turn any 2 handed siteswap into a one handed one by doubling all the values & adding a 0 after each one:
441 → 808020
423 → 804060
531 → a06020
Which is the same thing I think. I never thought to take it a step further.
It will work as long as the 'padding digit' is always the same so that you are always spacing out the exchanges proportionally. Extrapolating it further as long as you take all your substitutions from the same column in the following table you should end up with a valid siteswap.
Replacements
Digit *0 *1 *2 *3 *4 *5 *6 *7 *8 *9
0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1 20 11 02 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2 40 31 22 13 04 -- -- -- -- --
3 60 51 42 33 24 15 06 -- -- --
4 80 71 62 53 44 35 26 17 08 --
5 a0 91 82 73 64 55 46 37 28 19
6 c0 b1 a2 93 84 75 66 57 48 39
7 e0 d1 c2 b3 a4 95 86 77 68 59
8 g0 f1 e2 d3 c4 b5 a6 97 88 79
9 i0 h1 g2 f3 e4 d5 c6 b7 a8 99
You can work out the replacement pattern bc for a using the following:
a → bc where b=2a-c & b>0
3 digit substitutions should also work.
'The Halet Transformation' has a nice ring to it :)
Yeah that makes sense! I didn't know the two to one handed theory!
The name is nice, but I wouldn't take credit for something as serendipitous as that ;-)
James Hennigan - - Parent #
A similar transformation is the conversion of a two-handed siteswap its one-handed version.
All you have to do is double every number and put 0s between them.
Examples:
423 in one hand is 804060.
7441 in one hand is e0808020.
This works simply because one-handed patterns can be thought of as being juggled with either (1) one hand or (2) one hand + an empty hand.
So 423 in one hand could be written as "423" under interpretation (1) or "804060" under interpretation (2).
Another example: 804060, considered as a two-handed siteswap, can be juggled in one hand as g0008000c000.
2n,0 can always be replaced by 1,(2n-1) in a siteswap.
20 can be replaced with 11; 40 can be replaced with 31; 60 can be replaced with 51 etc.
This works because, when juggling a one-handed pattern, we could, at any point, pass the ball we are about to throw to our 2nd hand, and then throw it one beat lower with our 2nd hand. This will result in the ball landing in the main hand at the same time it would have anyway.
This rule can be used to transform any one-handed pattern into a corresponding shower pattern.
This explains why the shower transformation works:
Any siteswap (e.g. 423) can be converted to a one-handed siteswap (804060), which can then be converted to a shower siteswap (171315; equivalent to 713151).
That's a good explanation starting from the two to one-handed transformation! I didn't know about that one.
It reminds me of the high diabolo siteswap notation where you can see every siteswap as a "shower version", because of the behavior of the diabolo making an oval pattern, but it can also be interpreted as a one-handed version of a two-handed siteswaps.
Alex Jones - - Parent #
This idea fits within a wider method that I have often used to find new patterns. I think it is best described as: 'imagine that this small section of this complex pattern is actually this other more basic pattern' or generally just 'imagine that this pattern is actually this other one'. Another example of this method is in the following idea: 'only focus on the top section of the pattern and ignore what is happening beneath'.
For example: imagine that the 6x's in (6x,4)* are 3s in a three ball cascade. By extension you can then juggle any 3-ball siteswap as a variation of the base pattern (6x,4)*.
423 -> (8,4)(4,4)(6x,4)*
441 -> (8,4)(4,8)(2x,4)*
Similarly you can also therefore 'see' box as just a 2-ball pattern of active twos. So you can then juggle any 2 ball siteswap as a variation of (4,2x)*.
I particularly like the 2-ball snake juggled via bo:
330 -> (6x,2x)(2x,6x)(0,2x)*
For such a theoretically straightforward pattern it is surprisingly mind-bending.
This general strategy can be used for loads of patterns, such as the series 501, 801, b01 which can be re-imagined as 3,4 and 5 ball base patterns respectively, which therefore leads to patterns such as:
423 -> 801201501
534 -> b01501801
Note that in this case not all siteswaps can be juggled like this as anything with a 1 in this system becomes a -1.
Similarly 744, imagine the 7s as a 3-ball cascade:
423 -> a44444744
441 -> a44a44144
Or 534, imagine the 5s as a 3-ball cascade:
423 -> 834234534
552 -> b34234234
Or 645, imagine the 6s as active 2s:
31 -> 945345
330 -> 945045945
501 -> the borderline unjugglable f45045345
Fundamentally I think this is most useful as a way to conceptualise patterns without having to use or understand the siteswap of particular patterns. It allows you to easily generate patterns by just juggling them whereas it has taken me quite a long time to work out the siteswaps of patterns that are conceptually quite simple.
I have not really mathematically considered what it is in particular that makes certain parts of patterns translatable but it is clear that if you imagine just looking at the top portion of a pattern you can effectively ignore what goes on below and just treat the top bit as an easier base pattern. Obviously this leads to some pretty tricky patterns but conceptually they are pretty straightforward.
juggling dot tv was a website. It's been a ride, but we'll soon be archiving. Ciao.
JTV is shutting down: http://juggling.tv/archive
Mike Moore - - Parent #
I'll miss it dearly.
Sad news indeed. But good news that the archive will remain rather than be deleted.
A big thank you to Max, Howie, Void & all the other people involved in keeping JTV broadcasting.
12 years is a fantastic run.
Here's one of my favourites:
http://juggling.tv/837
Oh, bad news :(
Anyway like @Orinoco I'm very thankful for your work and hope I understand it correctly that it will remain as an archive. I think it is quite important as a record of contemporary juggling history. If you need help with hosting (financially or with some work) please tell, before you pull the plug! It would be a pity if another important juggling webpage were to just disappear.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
I saw your edge account created this morning, my first thought was "why 'was'?"
Sad news, may I ask what are the reasons for shutting it down?
I'm glad that the site will stay online!
Sad. Time goes by. Thanks for running it all those years! Thanks for leaving it archived.
Stephen Meschke - - Parent #
Thank you for hosting my juggling videos. The 23 videos that I posted have been watched over 8,000 times.
pumpkineater23 - - Parent #
Thanks for keeping it going for so long. You were among the first to take juggling into a new era.
Thank you for the nice comments, both here, and on email.
For those asking "Have you considered X; what about Y; can we help; etc", this wasn't a decision taken lightly. It's a complex situation, and we've considered many options, but this is the choice we've made.
_ watch
JTV
Little Paul - - Parent #
Sad times, but all good things come to an end. I know it was hard when I set trickswithhats to read only, and it took a long time for me to come to terms with having to let it go entirely.
But, things move on, things change, and it all works out OK in the end anyway!
Thanks for all the videos, especially all the archive material :)
Cheers mate. This morning I did my usual check of the site for new uploads, comments, etc. Ah... right... I should probably get out of that habit.
So it goes, and so it goes...
And on that vein, I just found a video that it seems I never got around to uploading. I thought "Oh, cool, I'll just pop that up on JT..... ah."
Need a new plan then...
Well done Void. You actually created something useful and worthwhile. Not many can say that.
Still got your bloody sticker on my kitchen but I shall treat it with love rather than resentment from now on.
Here's something else.
One of the major features of a certain former popular juggling portal was of course it's multilingualness.
So in homage to Juggling Universe I proudly present the traduzione Italiana!1
At present the languages available for translation are:
https://de.jugglingedge.com - German
https://es.jugglingedge.com - Spanish
https://fr.jugglingedge.com - French
https://it.jugglingedge.com - Italian
https://nl.jugglingedge.com - Dutch
https://ru.jugglingedge.com - Russian (3 plural forms, really?!)
Other languages will be made available on request.
At the bottom of each page you will find a 'translate this page' link that takes you to a form where you can enter translated text & access the audit history of previous changes so if someone makes a mistake they can access previous translations to correct it. Anyone with an account can contribute a translation.
I have purposefully not included any indications of translation 'progress'. The Edge is huge. Most of it doesn't need translating for the site to be usable. I have no desire to put pressure on anyone to put hours of unnecessary work in for some arbitrary notion of completeness. The only gamification I want to encourage involves dice, cards & meeple.
The tranlsation index shows all pages available for translation & also contains links to edit texts that are stored in a database rather than part of a page. These texts are the strings used in the spangly new records system, email templates & latest content templates that appear in the latest content feed on the homepage.
Some translatable texts will include variables, these will look $SomethingLikeThis in the original text (clicking the variable will insert the variable text at the cursor in the input field). The variable will be replaced with specific information when the page is rendered.
For example the following:New post by $UserName
Will be converted to something like:New post by Orinoco
Variables are case sensitive
Texts will also contain links. Available links will be described in blue underneath the input field. To specify what part of the text you want to be clickable surround it with the link's corresponding numerical tags. If you select text in the input field then click the desired link the system will automatically insert the tags for you.
For example the following:New <1>post</1> by <2>$UserName</2>
Will be converted to something like:
New post by Orinoco
The whole thing is very complicated. Some of you have already noticed that I've been breaking lots of things recently, all of them were to do with this! I'm sure there will be more problems. I will fix them as soon as I can.
Boring nerdy stuff: I've written my own translation system that basically maintains multiple versions of the same dynamic site, one for each language. I've done this instead of using GNU gettext for several reasons:
#NewFeature
1 I've been working on this for 5 months just to get that punchline in.
That must have been a lot of work. Well done, and thanks.
Now, can anyone translate "tranlsation" for me? :-P
Great! I suppose you decided consciously against it and know about it, but just in case you are not aware: There is also the possibility to do language negotiation without using subdomains, GET/POST variables or cookies:
https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-apache-lang-neg
I use this for our juggling club webpage (although I want to add a link to the other translations at the bottom of the page in case people have not set up their browser properly):
https://www.jonglaria.org
(Start page should appear in english for most people here, in case you have your browser set up to prefer german language webpages it will show it in german - typically this is set correctly in case your operating system is set up in german - you can play around changing browser settings and reloading the page)
I was not aware of that Apache feature. Thank you for the tip. Reading through the documentation though I think I still prefer using separate sub domains. I prefer the transparency of showing the language right at the start of the url rather than picking a language from a setting hidden in the browser which I think a lot of people would not be aware of, especially if they using someone else's device.
I've started to work on the french translation! Let me know if i'm breaking everything or actually doing useful work!
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
I've done 2 pages, I doubt any Dutch person will ever care, but it's fast and easy to do so I don't mind to translate a few more...
Now I've started at the top which is probably not the most effective, could you give a list of what you think are the 5 or 10 most important pages of the site?
Thank you! & glad to hear it is easy to use.
I've always considered getting people to juggling festivals to be the most important thing so personally I think the most important pages to translate are:
libdb.php - a library that is used on every page, includes the primary navigation menu
event.php
events.php
libdir.php - a library that is used across all directory section pages (events, clubs, groups)
contact.php
The order of popularity of all the sections on the Edge are pretty consistently:
forum - but given that pretty much all posts are currently in English (this does not have to be the case!1) I don't see there is much reward from translating this section.
events
clubs
records
logs
1 I think this is the closest we've come to a multilingual thread but I'm not sure it really counts.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
The top menu on https://nl.jugglingedge.com/ is now broken, probably happened after I changed the text..
Now fixed, I just added the <1>numerical link tags</1> around the text that needed it.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Right, I didn't read the instructions carefully enough to remember that I had to put those tags around. Maybe as a fix all, put the link automatically around all text if there is no link specified? Or put a one line reminder that the tags go around the links on every translation line?.. hmm....
Ilia Poliakov - - Parent #
I translate some pages.
I hope, it will help for russian jugglers.
if they will open site, it will be automatically in russian?
For me it is very unuseful when after "Save Changes" this page close and it goes to list of pages.
And also it would be great to see pages that are translated and sort texts on one page that don't have any translation.
Also I don't understand this system with links. Mostly whole text is a link or not a link. And you can do it automatically.
Thank you very much for the translations. If visitors open the Russin site (https://ru.jugglingedge.com) they will see your translations.
I've just changed the system so that you are redirected to the page you have just translated, & for texts where there is only link & you haven't specified a portion of the text to be clickable it will now automatically add the tags around the whole text for you.
Ilia Poliakov - - Parent #
Nice! You are really fast
Ilia Poliakov - - Parent #
Please, ix this problem:
https://ru.jugglingedge.com/events.php - after I did translation it shows wrong.
https://ru.jugglingedge.com/profile.php?UserID=761 - I can't translate words Organiser and Attendie
Oops, events page now fixed.
Those translatable words are in one of the linked files, specifically libDir.php. At the top of the edit translation page there are links to translate all other files that that page depends on.
Ilia Poliakov - - Parent #
https://ru.jugglingedge.com/forum.php
have some problem with space between words. Please, write all things like "reply" and "bookmark" separately and put punctuation marks "-" automatically.
Also I don't see where to translate this:
Previous unread
-Next unread
-Mark thread as read
I've added the missing spaces in for now. I will see if I can work out a way for the system to do that automatically.
That unread text can be translated here. I've just realised the source javascript files that contain the text won't appear in the list of linked files because I use an automated routine to create composite files from the source files depending on the user's selected options. It will take me a while to work out how to fix that.
Ilia Poliakov - - Parent #
Something going wrong in translated site.
Don't open pages like Clubs and Profile.
Don't show some info on Main Page, can't add new record.
York Jugglers - - Parent #
This is amazing, thank you for all the work you have put into this.
We were looking at the German translation (we are hoping to establish links with the juggling club in our city's twin town) specifically https://de.jugglingedge.com/club.php?ClubID=12
We noticed there seems to be something amiss with the location of the club in the translation, because in English JugglingEdge, we have:
JuggleSoc - 1.1 miles
Hullabaloo - 28.8 miles
Teapots - 45.6 miles
Lincoln Juggling Society - 57.5 miles
but in German JugglingEdge, we have:
Nottingham Juggling Club - 10,4 miles
FEVER - 20 miles
Leicester Jugglers - 26,3 miles
Lincoln Juggling Society - 28,8 miles
Teapots - 36,9 miles
Which, by triangulation, places us halfway between Nottingham and Newark.
Ii also might be useful for non-British (excluding their colonies) to have the distances in kilometres as well as miles eg: "JuggleSoc - 1.1 miles (1.8km)", (putting both for every language is presumably easier than having to workout which unit of measurement each language might use (and some languages might use both).
Ilia Poliakov - - Parent #
Russia uses only metric system, thanks if you will make it
York Jugglers - - Parent #
Oh, and the links:
"Liste von Jongliervereinen > UK" ("Juggling club listings > UK")
"Importieren via iCalendar: Nur dieses Treffen oder Nächste 10 Treffen" ("Import via iCalendar: This meeting only or Next 10 meetings")
"Fügen Sie Daten hinzu an denen der Verein sich nicht trifft" ("Add dates when this club will not be meeting")
"Verschiebe Kartenmarkierung" ("Reposition map pin")
don't seem to work yet on the German translation page of our listing
and the location link
"St Lawrence Church Hall, Lawrence Street, York, YO10 3WP, UK." which on the original English languge version goes to
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:53.954594,-1.068456&z=17&t=m
in the German translation goes to
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:53,-1&z=17&t=m - so it looks like the problem might be the translation is rounding the latitude and longitude down to the nearest whole number.(this might be why the nearest clubs is also wrong in German)
Oh, sorry, I screwed the links up in the german translation. It seems Orinoco fixed those now?
I wouldn't say screwed! I put the links back in last night. Going forward the automatic linking suggested by Illia will mean this isn't an issue. I partially fixed the coordinates problem too which was related to a difference in what PHP thinks is a number & what MySQL thinks is a number.
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
Hi Orinoco, I was editing one of the Italian pages (that one of the forum) when, when I went to save, it gave me a 500-error and since then it no longer lets me enter on that page with the Italian subdomain, but only with the others.
Even deleting the cookies does not change anything: what can I do? Thank you!
Two more questions about index.php page entries:
1 - «$StartDate to $EndDate» has the to but no from, why?
2 - «+ $MoreEventsCnt more over the next 3 months» I interpreted that «+» as an integral part of the text and I think it stands for «+ n more events in the next 3 months»: is it correct?
Hello, the first issue was an errant ' character in my code which is now fixed. Sorry about that.
1. The $StartDate to $EndDate text is from the My events section which displays the name & start/end dates of any upcoming multi-day events you are going to that would appear like this:
British Juggling Convention 2023
2023-04-07 to 2023-04-13
I didn't put a from in just to conserve space, but there is no reason not to use da in the Italian version
2. Yes you are correct, the '+' sign is part of the sentence.
grazie mille per i molti traduci!
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
New question: do I have to translate the ".RecordMeta{display:none;}" on the Records page? :?
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
Hello Orinoco, what do you think of the possibility of reducing the list of States reported on the site, for example by removing the Overseas Territories, and leaving only the internationally recognized sovereign States (all those present in the UN, including the two permanent observer States, as well those with significant international recognition, such as: Kosovo, Taiwan and Western Sahara)?
I too love precision, so much so that I am also adapting to Italian phonotaxis names of States that we Italians do not normally adapt, but perhaps keeping Antarctica on the list (which is never permanently inhabited) is a bit too much 😄
Isn't it? https://brr.fyi
I just had a quick look at this, & identified 32 overseas territories/autonomous states/administrative regions/many other complicated named types of region, which doesn't thin the list down too much.
While doing this I noticed a bigger problem that I hadn't thought of before. The translated list of countries remains in alphabetical order for the English names rather than the new translated list which is a big usability issue! The list of countries is currently hardcoded to cut down on an extra database query because countries don't tend to change much (although hello Yugoslavia!). I will need to write a custom script for handling translating country names that lives outside the rest of the translation system similar to the record texts, email templates & latest content templates which is going to take me a little while.
In the meantime I've just done a load of Google translating of the remaining untranslated countries because it seemed helpful!
Lists of countries have now all been auto translated into & will now be displayed in the correct alphabetical order for all languages options! :)
Congratulations on your translating, I don't speak Italian, but https://it.jugglingedge.com/ is looking more and more complete.
Antarctica the continent which consists of the Antarctic landmass (icemass?) and another ~10 islands, I think is the pole which has seen the most juggling; a short google search can find you many photos/videos of people juggling in Antarctica (eg https://adam.antarcticanz.govt.nz/nodes/view/28991 ). Antarctica is permanently inhabited; eg at McMurdo Base or Villa Las Estrellas Base or even the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station. A lot of countries are maintaining a presence ready for the fight for who owns which mineral rights. So with all those people enduring long dark winters perhaps they will decide to juggle and maybe one day host a juggling get-together.
Regarding translating the county names, maybe just translate the ones that speak Italian or border Italian-speaking countries. The top 5 countries represent 70% of the events listed (my guess of countries with most events so far this year: 1st USA 31 events, 2nd Germany 22 events, 3rd UK 17 events, 4th France 11 events, Equal-5th Australia, Belgium, Italy, Switzerland 5 events) so maybe just translate the most popular countries. That isn't to say more juggling events don't happen in other countries those are just the ones that are listed on Juggling Edge (rather than a clip of part of a poster on instagram).
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
Hi Orinoco,
if I translate the entry «No data tagged $Labels» of the chart.php file and save, I get the error: «$Labels does not exist in the original text».
Is there something to fix or is it my fault?
There is always something to fix! It is always safe to assume if something has gone wrong here it is my fault & not yours.
This problem should be fixed now!
Thank you for all you work translating, correcting my errors & finding problems for me to fix! Your efforts are helping to improve the site for everyone.
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
Here, too, there is something to fix: club.php. Thanks!
What is wrong on club.php ?
I noticed the iacute on the day of the week is not rendering too well, as in
https://it.jugglingedge.com/club.php?ClubID=49
Is there something else?
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
" View all threads tagged with #'.htmlentities($Club['Tag'],ENT_QUOTES), "
is it correct? Can i translate with:
" Visualizza tutte le discussioni etichettate come #'.htmlentities($Club['Tag'],ENT_QUOTES), "?
Not quite correct no! That's another error in my code. Now fixed & translated thank you!
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
clubmap.php:
"or drag the search duck to somewhere on the map then click search."
What does "search duck" mean? Thank you.
"Search Duck" is the duck who helps you search.
on https://jugglingedge.com/clubmap.php
If you click on the blue text Search Duck a duck icon (on red background) appears on the map; this duck icon can be dragged to the part of the map you want to search for juggling clubs near
Yes, one of those things that I thought was funny at the time, but perhaps something a little more functional might be more appropriate now the Edge is multilingual!
I speak no Italian, but would anatra di cerca (finding though not killing) or anatra utile make sense?
The duck is helping you search, you are not searching for ducks
..or ''paperino segnaposto''?
{ cf. https://dict.leo.org/forum/viewWrongentry.php?idThread=1137927&idForum=34&lang=de&lp=itde }
Giocoleria da diporto - - Parent #
Connection.php: what "clubs" and "groups" stand for, in this context?
Elsewhere there are only (juggling) "clubs": this is the first occurrence of "groups".
They are both translatable with "gruppi" in italian, but it depends on the meaning...
Thanks.
Clubs refers to regular meet ups eg weekly meetings.
Groups are either organisations eg IJA, or EJA; or just a team that organise a juggling event every year (a regular festival is one that re-occurs at regular intervals - the advantage of having a group on Juggling Edge for a festival is that is that if google takes you to a past festival listing there can be a link to the next (future) occurrence of that event eg www.jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=3060 )
See Groups page for examples, www.jugglingedge.com/groups.php
Daniel Simu - #
Siteswap browser
The other day I was playing with the idea of creating some kind of siteswap browser, a tool to find relating siteswaps after you enter a siteswap. I think it could help me and others understand siteswaps in a new way, being able to make new siteswaps quickly from the ones we already know..
For example, if you would search for '441' I would like to show these lists:
441
447 (744)
44a (8 a44 55)
441
771 (66 771 3)
aa1 (8899 aa1 35)
441
7441
88441
441
7441
b441 (8 b441 444)
330
441
552
663
774
Or, alternatively '531'
501
531
561 (5 561 3)
591 (667 915 24)
31
531
7531
97531
531
534
537 (753)
etc...
But, do my ways of sorting make sense? How many more ways are there to make lists? Are there rules for lists?
And on a side note, what would be the best way to visualise these lists? And would you know of any tools to visualise these lists? I've been trying to find 3D decentralised mind mapping software, but couldn't find anything useful...
The first version of the siteswap calculator I made for the twjc website had something like this. It was basically an onscreen numerical keypad where you could enter a vanilla siteswap, if it was valid you could then manipulate the siteswap with a number of buttons that changed it in some way allowing you to build a chain of related siteswap patterns. From memory the changes available were:
Add or subtract 1 from each digit.
Add or subtract the period from 1 digit
Add the number of props to the string (which I didn't realise at the time didn't always work eg 645+5 is fine but 456+5 is not)
It was one of the first things I ever wrote using javascript so it wasn't very good!
Historical sidenote:
Who remembers these?:
https://jugglingedge.com/pdf/SiteswapCards_SG.pdf
This is the artwork that was used for a set of swatches the Gandinis were selling in the early '00s. I misremembered these being categorised lists of related siteswaps like Daniel mentions above but turns out not. It seems crazy to me now that there used to be a manufactured product for sale that was basically a limited directory of siteswap patterns. They are like a dictionary for a language that everyone is now fluent in. It's interesting to see how quickly something can become so obsolete.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
I had this card in my wallet for a while, they were on the back of a flyer for some Gandini show! I was actually looking for it as I was typing my last post but couldn't find it...
Which also reminds me of the pirouette patterns PDF: http://www.jonglage.net/theorie/notation/siteswap-avancee/refs/Gandini%20-%20Pirouette%20Patterns.pdf
Anyway, that seems to be a great start, I forgot to ask: Are there other tools like that? I'm now glad to here there was one, shame it's no longer a feature of the current tool..
Also seems like a much better way to sort it, I was never aware of the rule that you could add or subtract the period of any siteswap!
So what would be a good way to switch period? There doesn't seem to be a simple way for any excited state pattern, except for adding the entry and exit...
It's not really related to this kind of subject, but there's this online transition generator (in french) here : http://jonglage.net/generation_transition_siteswap.html
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Oh, that is interesting, and works very well! Thank you :D
Little Paul - - Parent #
Talking of ancient siteswap toys, +441179115202 still works...
Cedric Lackpot - - Parent #
Yeah but I had to remind you about it at Bungay didn't I? :-D
Little Paul - - Parent #
True!
You get credit for reminding me it exists, and I get credit for somehow remembering to make it work again months back (although I can't actually remember doing so)
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Called it a month or two ago and then it seemed offline. Glad it's back!
So I think I am going to buy a diablo but I don't want to spend more than like $30 I realize I won't get an amazing diablo for that much money it would just be for fun, do you have any suggestions on a brand or a specific diablo I should get.
Thanks
You can already have a professional grade diabolo for 30-40$! My suggestion would be the Evo G2 or G3 from the brand Sundia, or the Epic from the brand A-Dream. Both are excellent and you can't go wrong with either of them!
I'd suggest picking one without bearings. You'll learn the basics better without bearing. You'll need to perform the correct movements to make tricks, but it's worth your time! Also, learning your first tricks in diabolo is really easy so you shouldn't be disappointed!
Cheers
Adam Hellman - - Parent #
How you said I should get one without bearings I know bearing make it more expensive but is it easier to control without bearings
Thanks
You are right, bearings make it easier to control the diabolo. There are two schools of thought, some say you need to start without bearing, others don't mind but say you need at one point to know both styles. No bearing will make your tricks look more slow, bearings "force" you to do your tricks faster. Some tricks are impossible to do without bearing and the reverse is also true. Stuff like elevators are impossible with bearing due to the technology of the axle.
The price range for a good diabolo without bearing is ~30-40$, a good bearing diabolo is more ~60-80$.
I'd suggest if possible to test both to make your opinion.
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