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Thanks for having filmed all that old stuff, and thanks for this video. Amazed at how many of those I was at.
Bad news.
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but last night, at Bungay Balls Up, we lost Gary Blake. (You might know him as Gary Bighair or as half of Gary & Mandy.)
Gary was playing table tennis, and collapsed suddenly. Neither CPR nor the fast response paramedics could save him. It's scant consolation, but his last weekend was spent with his family, and his juggling family, relaxing on holiday, smiling and laughing, playing ping pong, poker, backgammon and Scrabble games in the cafe & big top.
He will be hugely missed by many people. If you want to post anything here, I will pass it on to Mandy.
I will any post details of a funeral service, etc, as soon as I hear.pic.twitter.com/sVtEnE7dou
— The Void (@TheVoidTLMB) May 30, 2016
I couldn't believe it when I heard this morning. I've been waiting for details all day hoping there was a mistake.
Love & best wishes to Mandy, Leo & Freya.
Bloody hell. Somewhat in shock and there are tears here in the house. Love to Mandy and kids.
other helen s - - Parent #
So sad and shocked to hear this, hard to take in. Sympathy to & thinking of Mandy & the kids.
Devastated. What a lovely man. My love, thoughts and best wishes to you Mandy, Leo and Freya.
Sorry to hear that.
I enjoyed my brief stay with you three in 2006, if Mandy remembers me, pass on my condolences.
Little Paul - - Parent #
I'm still having trouble getting my head around the fact that Garry, who I was happily talking to over my morning(ish) cup of tea less than 4 days ago is no longer with us.
I wasn't on site at the time he collapsed (having gone home a couple of days early) and I can't begin to imagine what it was like for those on the scene.
My thoughts are very much with Mandy and the kids, and with those who were there on the day and tried so hard to do their best for him.
My last memory of Garry is of him laughing and joking, and smiling that huge grin of his. I'm so lucky that's the last image I have of him, I'm genuinely upset by the thought that there are many of you whose last memories are much more traumatic.
Epic BBU hugs all round.
Devastating news. Really sorry to hear this. I've known Gary since he started at Milton Keynes juggling club twenty something years ago and chatted to him last at BJC where his kids were playing with mine. Our thoughts are very much with Mandy, Leo and Freya.
Nigel and Tracey
I don't know how to start on a post like this one.
It feels like I have known Garry for ever. We have been friends for around 20yrs. Our mutual love of poker, ping pong, port and pot ensured we spent a lot of time together at every convention we went to. You could not hope to meet a nicer person. His generosity, humour, patience and wit meant he was always a pleasure to spend time with.
I will never open a bottle of vintage port or play a game of table tennis in the future without wishing Garry was there to enjoy it with me.
Never again will a poker game feel full handed.
I draw much consolation from the fact Garry spent his last days here at Hulver farm surrounded by his friends doing the things he loved most.
He saw the firing of our most successful ever Trebuchet.
He saw Void's much deserved and overdue victory in the poker tournament.
He saw one of the best shows of buttercups ever.
I don't know what else to say other than love to Mandy and the kids.
RIP dear friend x
I am still struggling to come to terms with the sudden and tragic loss of another member of my close juggling family. Gary was one of the best - such a gentle, calm and caring guy, with a quick wit and always willing to lend a hand if needed. I will miss his mesmerising talent with a devilstick, our frequent chats at conventions and other gatherings, and even the inevitable thrashings at backgammon - I am sure I almost beat him once (I suspect he was half asleep at the time or playing with one hand tied behind his back!!). I was trying to remember where I first met him, I think it was Bemen EJC, or maybe even before that, i don't know for sure, he was just one of my friends that it seems I have just always known.
My heart goes out to the family he has left behind, especially to Mandy, Leo and Freya. They have been robbed way too soon of a doting husband and father. But I know that we, his wider juggling family, will do all that we can to support them both now and in the future, and keep his memory alive.
Goodnight, my friend, I will see you again one day in that big top on the other side.
Richard Loxley - - Parent #
I have just heard from Mandy that a provisional date has been set for the funeral in a few weeks time. It's still provisional subject to the completion of the post-mortem, but fairly firm.
I'm not going to post the full details on here until I've checked with Mandy, but the details have been shared amongst our friends on Facebook, so check on there or ask me if you want to know the details.
Love and hugs to everyone,
Richard
Richard Loxley - - Parent #
If you haven't yet been told the details of the funeral, please feel free to email me on temp3853@richardloxley.com and I'll forward the details to you.
That's a temporary email address that will reach me, but I'll deactivate it in a few weeks time to avoid getting spam by posting it on a public forum. If you send me an email I'll reply from my permanent email address.
There is a post on Mandy's profile on Facebook recording the number of people attending to help with planning. If you are not on Facebook you can also email me to say you'll be attending and I'll pass it on.
Richard Loxley - - Parent #
The provisional date for the funeral has now been confirmed as definite. If you haven't received the details through other channels please feel free to email me on temp3853@richardloxley.com and I'll send you the information.
If you are unable to attend and wish to pass on a message to be read out, or to be passed on to the family, please also feel free to email me.
Beloved Ben Beever
It is with immense sadness and shock that i learned yesterday of the tragic death of Ben Beever.
If you are anything like me, your first reaction will be of total disbelief.
He fell from his balcony at home in chorlton in the early hours of saturday morning.
Emergency services were unable to save him and he died without regaining consciousness.
He had spent the evening with his flatmates.
I last saw Ben the night before for a hugely enjoyable game of bridge.
A huge number of you will have been profoundly touched by Ben throughout the years we have known him.
His influence has been immeasurable in the juggling and bridge worlds as well as his many many other activities.
I shall miss him so much. In bridge at least, he was my North, my South, my East and West.
After talking with his mum,Pru,today, i have learned that the funeral will take place in Chorlton, Manchester.
The date and time are not yet known but everybody is welcome to attend and i will post details as soon as available.
Nigel Schaay can be contacted at nigel [@] juggler.net for any co-ordination efforts of people wanting to attend.
Oh crap.
Ben, you were nuts in several ways, but great fun to know, a juggling innovator and inspiration to so many. Goodbye.
Little Paul - - Parent #
Holy crap!
It's going to take a while for that one to sink in. I'm stunned.
Alex and I spent time with him in the sauna this year at Bungay, we had a lovely chat. I didn't know him well but he was a constant and cheery feature at so many conventions I've been to, and a damn fine juggler as well. We'll miss him.
This is ghastly news. I got to know Ben pretty well over the last few Bristol/Broxford conventions and am greatly saddened to read this. I will miss him as I'm sure will many others. His great good humour and friendliness made him more than just an outstanding juggler.
Nigel
Cedric Lackpot - - Parent #
Oh for fucks sakes, if my juggler mates have to keep doing this, could it at least be the old ones? This is all kinds of tragic. Hairy, I have absolutely no idea what sort of shape your head must be in right now but just call me if you need a chunter any time.
I'm shaking. Vale Ben.
Utter disbelief...
My deep sympathy to Bens family and close friends.
I knew Ben to speak to at conventions and always enjoyed his company, but I wouldn't say we were close.
I will miss him.
In shock. Ben was basically my juggling hero, obviously a great inspiration to me and a friend. I would often get mistaken for him at conventions. I'll miss him a lot.
lukeburrage - - Parent #
Yeah.
Not much to add right now. Maybe later.
Greg Phillips - - Parent #
Wow. Just...
Ben and I corresponded many times, about his siteswap book and other related juggling geekery. I only met him the once but he left a deep impression. Feeling for his family and close friends. He will truly be missed.
I don't want to believe it.
I only knew Ben from brief chats at a handful of conventions. Such a diversely talented man, I don't think we ever once talked about juggling. He was always lots of fun & charmingly humble.
Thanks for letting us know Hairy. Hope you are ok.
Over the past 2 years i have known
2 Cancer victims
1 Brain tumor
1 Liver failure
1 Heart attack
1 Suicide
and now one accidental death.
These are people who where friends, associates, or in the peripheral of my vision, but every one of them in some way touched me, some even helped shape me.
I am bored of death now. selfish as that sounds. Grieving is tiring
so
can everyone please, please restrict their deaths to taking place by natural causes due to being really really old.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Oh no! This is sad news :(.
I have met Ben only once, but had great fun jumping trampoline together (of all things....)
Oh shit. I got to know Ben first through poker and later through playing table tennis. In all the time I've known him I never once saw any sign of malice. Such a sweet guy and a real free spirit.
Hairy I can't imagine how you must be feeling, ring me if you need to talk.
I had 5 games of table tennis (Ben 5 Monte 0) and a couple of cups of tea at this years Bungay. I wish now I had spent more time with him.
Ben Beever I loved you and will miss you dearly.
I'm trying to find out when Beard Beach clubs first came on the market. The folks at Beard can't remember. Anybody have any educated guesses?
David Cain
I'm going to plump for '90. Pretty much just a guesstimate, though. I know they were around in '92.
Little Paul - - Parent #
I don't have anything useful before 1992 that would help me date it earlier than that. The beach pre-date the fish, and fish were certainly available in 1992, and being advertised in the catch.
oddballs in Camden might be able to help if you can get hold of Max Oddball, I seem to remember from a BJC conversation a couple of years ago that they've got copies of every catalogue they produced - should be listed in there.
"H from beard" is also still around (although not anything to do with beard any more) I don't have contact details for him, but others reading this do - and he would be more likely to remember than anyone currently working for beard.
The kascade online archive from around that time might have an advert too if you're lucky?
Scott Seltzer - - Parent #
I can also confirm that Beard Beach Clubs were around in 1992. They're what I learned with. My roommate got them in the summer of that year. I also know that Radical Fish were in UK catalogs in Winter of 92/93 when I ordered my first set.
Cascade. One pattern instead of two independent patterns. Less collision prone and less scoop required. The parabolic shape is more aesthetically pleasing to me. Much easier to do certain tricks such as body throws or backcrosses. Shoulder throws seem much less natural.
Little Paul - - Parent #
I'm leaning towards oranges
Mike Moore - - Parent #
Cascade, I dislike how fountains feel (so much scoop!). There's a reason I've flashed 8b in 999999990 (preparing for 9b cascade) than in 8.
IsaacDraper - - Parent #
It has to be cascade. I'm just not that excited about fountains.
Sjors Stuurman - - Parent #
Cascade for sure, fountain colides so much :(
1) Everyone prefers Cascade.
2) Seriously, they do. There are loads of reasons why some people might say otherwise but
3) They prefer the cascade.
4) It is better, nicer, more real, less “cheating”, easier.
5) Hang on, aren’t the cascade and the fountain the same pattern?
6) Just let go a bit later for the fountain throw?
7) Then either catch it later (& lower {which is scary}) or
8) Have the ball in your hand for longer and therefore
9) Less time with an empty hand to be able to think about catching the next one (also scary)
10) Fountain is scary.
11) I prefer Cascade.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Fountain vs. Half shower, which do you enjoy more?
Mike Moore - - Parent #
I think that's a better (more controversial) question. I like fountain, because I'm not interested in learning the same trick twice (and learning a trick on only one side is out of the question!).
I'm not sure (because sync halfshower is awesome), but the halfshower with 4 is one of the worst things ever.
Seems like cascade is winning, but i vote for fountain. I think its aesthetics are superior. I love the two connected components, it has a much more pure feeling for me. peterbone says it's just two independent patterns, but that's not true, the dependencies are only more subtle.
I also don't like the fact that many people skip the even numbers, as you learn many valuable juggling skills when practicing these. One is that your weak hand has to catch its own throws and gets no help by the strong hand - you strengthen your weak side and therefore your symmetry by practicing the fountain. Also you learn much about moving your hands to the right positions, as it is harder to avoid collisions.
Also, disagreeing with peterbone again, i'm a fan of shoulder throws - they're way easier than backcrosses.
Is it a fountain if it's done by two one armed jugglers standing next to each other?
What if they are not standing next to each other? What if they don't know of one another's existence?
Philosophy is difficult, where's my beer.
Sjors Stuurman - - Parent #
If we're gonna talk about astethics, fountain is a beauty! :P
See, I can't decide. Until recently I would have said the cascade, but I'm beginning to appreciate even numbers more lately.
I think a lot of the tricks with the cascade are unparalleled and speak for the base pattern itself, but when I look back I see all the trouble the pattern has caused me. Learning the 5 ball cascade nearly made me quit juggling (not the case with 4 or 6!), and lately I'm beginning to feel like my 8 balls is progressing faster than my 7. It's strange. I've even been considering doing a 10-ball pattern for my first 9 flash.
And for me I've never viewed the fountain as two separate patterns. While I can and do practice it by doing each hand individually, when I'm fountain-ing I feel like I'm holding up one single entity, and my brain isn't separating the hands any more than the cascade.
#Altern8 will be closed on September 15th, as most regulars will be at Broxford. And we had no chocolate biscuits today either, so it's obviously all going to pot.
Little Paul - - Parent #
I think I've decided that although it's a pita to get to, and not a cheap one, it is however cheaper and easier to get to than my alternative plans, so I'll be there for the first weekend.
I can't get any time off work this time of year though, so can't do any more than that :(
I'm there from Thurs-Sun I think, plans still a little fluid. Shame to miss you LP.
Little Paul - - Parent #
I haven't completely ruled out the second weekend yet (although J is working at his railway so wouldn't be able to join me unlike the first weekend)
Perhaps I'll see what the site/vibe is like when I get there.
No. I'm going to see at least 1 day of Middlesex v Somerset instead. I suppose there's a very outside chance that I'll show up just for the poker night.... If Hairy is going, that is.
Hairy told me at the EJC that he was unlikely to attend.With it being Johnny B's farm and Dave Dyer just down the road it is certain that there will be plenty of poker though.
As for prices, I looked it up today and it would cost me £25 per day to go for the last 4 days which is what I had in mind.I am not prepared to spend £100 for a long weekend so I am now thinking that I will have to go for the full week or not at all. Would be a shame to miss my chance of winning both poker tournaments in the same year.
I have been to all but 3 or 4 "Bristols" and feel like I should show loyalty to Dave for all the hard work he has put into keeping "Bristol" alive however I don't understand why it is so expensive this year. As I understand it, the site is changing because the scout park was getting so expensive therefore if the new site is a lot cheaper why the price hike?
A very conflicted and confused Monte
Monte is you went last year you could pay £5 for membership which would give you £5 a day discount or let you go for the whole week for £100
www.broxfordevents.co.uk/price-list-1
£105 with membership fee.Trouble is I can't really afford the time to go for the whole event and even if I become a member its still £85 for 4 days. If I had never been before and wanted to go for the last weekend to check it out the price may well have put me off. The membership idea was intended to reward previous attendees but to a newbie it could look a bit exclusive. I feel like I am being punished for not going to the whole event.
Little Paul - - Parent #
This feels like as good an opportunity to say "OMG! Look how cheap Bungay is!" https://www.bungayballsup.com/?page_id=59
Danny Colyer - - Parent #
> even if I become a member its still £85 for 4 days.
Depends which 4 days - it's £65 if you come for the first 4 days.
I think the last weekend has been more expensive than the first part of the week for a while now. That's supply and demand - a lot of people only come along for the last few days, little realising that the first few days, before it gets all manic, are actually the best bit of the convention.
Pricing aside, I think telling people they can't show up on the Friday evening before the convention officially starts (as we've been doing for years at the old site) is a mistake. It's alienated people who would otherwise have come down for the weekend with their kids, but can't justify the travelling time just for Saturday evening and Sunday morning.
Pricing aside, I think telling people they can't show up on the Friday evening before the convention officially starts (as we've been doing for years at the old site) is a mistake. It's alienated people who would otherwise have come down for the weekend with their kids, but can't justify the travelling time just for Saturday evening and Sunday morning.
I think they are hosting a hula hoop convention/workshop that doesn't finish till Saturday on the same site (who are paying ~£40 per day) which might be why they don't want jugglers arriving early.
www.hoohahoopgathering.co.uk
Yes Alas I will not be attending at all this year.
I have started a new job (WHAT?! Hairy's got a job?!) Admin for NHS.
It does feel like "letting the side down" but with that and my shoulder tendonitis it is just too much to go this year. I think Ben Beever and Sean Morris are going from Manchester today and there may be others. Hope everyone has a great time.. and someone beat Monte in the poker - we'd never hear the end of it if he's double champ.
But would he more unbearable than Ewan if he wins? The number of regular poker players is slightly down meaning that even my chances of winning have increased.
Nigel
York Jugglers - - Parent #
You are welcome to come along to York Jugglers, we have plenty of chocolate biscuits at the moment.
Hello all... errr okay so a little space about me.
Well I suppose I should talk about juggling first! I am a little bit o this and a little bit o that juggler, I suppose I am a dancer first and foremost and I like to make pretty shapes with things, I also LOVE toys and miss my Aerotech poi balls something dreadful (they finally died... finally)
Anyhoo so I do contact (a bit) Poi (a bit more) and now I have got me some double staffs.
I've been spreading myself thinner and thinner over the years (whilst somehow getting fatter and fatter) but after 2 children and an (un)healthy dose of RSI, I am ready to start doing some juggling again.
Loving my staffs though at 100cm they seem a bit long for me so have ordered some 90cm's which I will cut down a bit more if absolutely necessary, they look a bit thinner too (from firetoys) My poi background seems to be doing me well, I am aware of what I need to do which is half the battle really.
I always have my contact ball in my bag, it is my nervous juggling, my defensive juggling, my pissed up out on the town dancing to cheesy pop juggling... whatever I am doing if I need it I use it, to calm children in the supermarket (my own included) or to break an uneasy silence... thats what its for,
My poi are like home, they are a complete extension of my body and I love them so much which is what attracted me to staff which I think will probably take over!
Other stuff...
Well I have two kids, both boys 1 and 4 who aren't quite ready for juggling yet but like to watch! I work 16hrs a week, volunteer another 10hrs a week (as well as having the boys all but 2 days a week) and I also study Social Justice at degree level. I go to bed tired and full of thoughts most nights but I find watching NO telly gives me time to fit everything in.
So here I am, pleased to meet you all - All the best
Fi
Well I have two kids, both boys 1 and 4
Strange names, but I guess they are easy to remember.
If I didn't say it someone else would have
Welcome to the Edge DragonFi & thank you for the introduction. I love the way you are so attached to your props. I've just been looking at all mine to see if I really feel anything for them but I don't really, which is strange given how much time I spend with them (70.7 hours with my clubs so far this year).
I'm pretty attached to them tonight, I think one of these staffs has left a dent in my skull! Time for bed I think.
There is only so much review Tory's 'Big Society = get really stressed out and write frantically for 40mins before losing coherency followed by frantic staffing and repeat, that I can handle today!
I am considering making some tiny little staffs for work... or maybe I will just play with my invisible ones...
Hi DragonFi
I really loved your introduction.
I very much liked the paragraph:
" I always have my contact ball in my bag, it is my nervous juggling, my defensive juggling, my pissed up out on the town dancing to cheesy pop juggling... whatever I am doing if I need it I use it, to calm children in the supermarket (my own included) or to break an uneasy silence... thats what its for, "
I have done hardly any contact juggling for such a long time but that paragraph takes me back 20 years and carries such an excitement and immediacy. Your words are fertile.
Awww fankoo! I was worried I was ranting a bit!
I suppose I am a bit jealous of these people that put vast amounts of time and skill and dedication into learning more and more and more tricks on things, I am more into just getting good enough to dance and then having lots and lots of fun, but sometimes I wish I had the (time) energy to manipulate more and more.
Looking forward to getting back into it all! Have nearly managed to get reels down with my staffs now, not bad after 2 days!
Now you're all off to a festival today so I shall be using my ball to add a little bit of magic to my rocking slowly in the corner... I even took it into labour with me!
All the best xx
Little Paul - - Parent #
If I didn't say it someone else would have
I was going to, but you beat me to it.
Little Paul - #
This is probably already all over mytwitbook or whatever, but I'm not, so on the off chance that others have missed the news as well...
#BJC2013 appear to have announced some of the acts booked for the public show. https://bjc2013.co.uk/whats-on/public-show/
All of which look like top class bookings to me.
RegularJugular - - Parent #
There's definitely quite a bit of woo and yay in there, but I'm predicting hoopla, I mean hula-hoop, before the bill is complete.
Talking of bills, when going out for a night on the town with a duck, you always know who's got the bill. ;|
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This will make no sense to people who've not been to b3ta. Also to people who have been there, probably inadvisable.
As someone with inside knowledge (sleeping with the show organiser...) I can promise no Hula Hoop. There might be another type of 'hoop' on stage at some point but it certainly wont be of the hula variety. The show is almost complete and I'm sure AnnaBod will be releasing a couple more names from the show in the coming weeks, while holding on to a few surprises.
We were talking about this last night. I've got to the stage where I'm only interested in when prereg opens. After I've done that I never bother to check the website.
We all know it will be great & we're all going right?
Little Paul - - Parent #
I'm at the stage where I thought I was bored of BJC, and haven't been to one for a long time. This year I was wavering slightly and thinking I might go.
One of those acts has pretty much tipped the balance, and I'm now on the side of "being a bit excited" about a BJC for the first time in a long time - and it's nice to have that feeling back!
As soon as my boss gets back from being off with flu I'll be seeing if I can talk him into letting me have the time off, even though half the team are out at a conference that week.
Hurrah!
I'm still undecided. I got a bit bored of the BJCs but went last year and enjoyed it. I normally only go if it's not too far from me but this one is a long way. The show does look good but that's not as important to me as some other factors. Also, I'll probably go to the EJC this year so may save up my annual leave for that. So many considerations to make.
"We all know it will be great & we're all going right?"
Absolutely.
The show line up is particularly exciting, but i'd be going even if there was no show. or renegade. or workshops. or traders. or food. or people, err, hang on, maybe not the last one.
Little Paul - - Parent #
I think one of the reasons I'm excited about the show line up isn't so much the prospect of watching them perform (although there is an element of that obviously)
It's that it includes a juggler I've spent a lot of time talking to on the internet for over 10 years, but haven't yet managed to meet in person, mostly for geographical reasons (although there was a geographical coincidence at one point, but I had an organisational fail which meant we didn't meet up after all)
I'm sure by now I owe him at least several cups of tea and a slice of cake ;)
Plus,Don't forget Montegriffo's Frying Circus is doing the food. Plans for venison pie are going well.
Little Paul - - Parent #
Ooh! I might see about "forgetting" to pack any kitchen equipment ;)
Alright. Any of you have an old set of five PX3s laying around you would be willing to sell me?
I don't want to pay the full price and I think it would be nice to put an old well loved set back into commission.
I would appreciate pictures if you can get them.
Little Paul - #
3 ball overheads (or infrontoffacess) either way I've decided that after 20+ years of juggling it's time I tried to learn this trick.
If you do this trick, which version do you do (overhead[1] or infrontofface[2]) and why did you pick that version rather than the other.
If you can do both versions, which would you suggest I learn first?
[1] overhead
https://youtu.be/vi8PCfOYAIg
[2] infrontofface
https://youtu.be/mbkwpou2Gpk
I learnt overheads about 15 years ago, primarily because the infrontofface version had not been popularised at that time. I *think* Gatto might have invented it, but it was Gatfield and the WJF that popularised it.
I can do the infrontofface version a little bit. It is slightly easier in that because the pattern is in front of you, you can see the all important crossing point. This obviously matters more for higher numbers than with three halls.
I still prefer overheads for their aesthetics, also if you want to juggle lying down, infrontoffaces don't help much.
If you don't want to play the numbers game, go for overheads!
Definitely overheads. They look much nicer.
Not sure I agree with Colin about infrontofface being easier for higher numbers. I think overhead feels a bit like a force bounce, & plenty of numbers jugglers are comfortable with that.
Dave Cheetham - - Parent #
That's interesting, I always thought that infrontoffaces looked nicer. Horses/courses, I guess.
I always felt like I had gimpy little t-rex arms every time I tries overheads, while infrontoffaces always felt more natural.
I learn overheads first because back then I hadn't really seen infrontoffaces (they were hardly really known about in the European juggling community [as far I could tell]). I had always been strongly against onfrontoffaces because they are not overheads.
HOWEVER
Because of the freer arm movement, they are easier for even numbers and high throws. I still appreciate overchests as a hard trick, but I don't like when people call them overheads.
Which one you learn is 100% preference.
Norbi
pumpkineater23 - - Parent #
I've been practising overhead throws behind my head as I think they connect well with backdrops and shoulder throws. I've been trying to copy them from Dave Kelly. I've not tried a full cascade yet, mostly single throws and columns, eventually I would like to be able to run a box behind my head.
I think that "back in the day" most people thought that Gattos version was inferior to the "real" overheads.
These days i think of both versions being on a "spectrum" and that there is no single clear division between the tricks (you can always raise or lower something to make the boundary very blurry)
I think pumpkineater has it right saying to learn them for "purpose" - think about any other behind back / body variations you like or may one day like and try to get the body and objects in comfortable, versatile positions.
That was probably no help at all :-)
Little Paul - - Parent #
You're probably on to something there with your "spectrum" notion (given the difficulty I was having finding sample videos which clearly showed the distinction)
I think I'm probably going to have a decent stab at learning both versions.
I prefer the look of overheads, but they do seem to be harder in terms of judging a suitable dwell ratio - but they are more similar to juggling while lying down (which I like) and are possably more transferable to overheads with clubs than infrontoftheface is.
I must say though, it's quite an odd feeling to have some juggling enthusiasm back and to actually want to learn something new again!
Not sure how useful ball overheads are when learning club overheads. Throw technique is very different. Might be helpful in that you have less of the 'ohmygodit'sgoingtohitme' feel but still bloody dangerous.
Nigel
club overheads is the trick I will have learnt by Bristol (maybe)
Little Paul - - Parent #
I'm throwing ball overheads "elbows forward" which isn't that dissimilar from the position for club overheads as far as I can tell.
infrontoffaces are all "elbows out, dance like a chicken" which is a million miles away.
OK, now I've written that, I'm definitely learning overheads rather than infrontoffaces as my chicken dancing days are long behind me.
I'm also curious about your technique because my technique for balls & clubs is very similar.
I tend to have a wider stance for clubs & I definitely sprint away a lot quicker when it goes wrong with clubs more than balls.
ok with clubs I'm throwing them the same way I do tomahawks, elbows in front of me and about shoulder width apart. with balls my arms are at roughly 45 degrees from the line of my shoulders. Hands are in roughly the same place with each technique and immediately above my shoulders. the biggest difference though is I've been doing ball overheads for 20 years and don't have to concentrate at all and have no problems doing columns, 4, half shower etc. clubs I've been only working on this year and best is 7 throws (hit several times but not enough to be called consistent).
Nigel
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This video popped up in my inbox today. Really nice use of 'in-front of face' overheads I thought.
https://youtu.be/NqHvcctNPqA-u-u
Coo! I wonder why I haven't seen him before?
The multi level 5 ball pattern at the end (3 at waist height, 2 in front of face) is a nice effect.
I've just remembered what I learnt when juggling lying down. Use stage balls, or some sort of solid ball. Most beanbags that I've used with drop dust, hairs, occasionally filling. It sucks when it lands in your eyes.
Vinyl thuds (that aren't falling apart) will work, as will juggling a really clean set of beanbags, or wearing (sun)glasses.
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